Equation with logarithmic and polynomial terms

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The discussion revolves around solving an equation that combines polynomial and logarithmic terms. The original poster presents a problem from an old exam, expressing uncertainty about how to approach such equations.

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  • Participants explore the simplification of the original equation and question the notation used for logarithms. There is a discussion about the potential for using logarithmic properties to simplify the right-hand side of the equation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the equation, suggesting that it may not have a solution in terms of elementary functions. Others express skepticism about the complexity of the problem, considering it an old high school exam question.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the notation for logarithms, with suggestions that the expressions may refer to logarithms with base 6. The original poster also notes a correction in their simplification, which impacts the equation being discussed.

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This is not actually a homework question, but it seemed appropriate to put it here. In an old exam from 1921 I found the following problem. I never learned how to solve this type of thing and I haven't been able to figure it out, so: how does one solve this?

Homework Statement



Solve for x:

\frac{(x-1)^2}{(x-1)-^6\log (x-1)} = 3 \times 6^{3\times^6\log 2 + 2\times^6\log 3}

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The Attempt at a Solution



I went ahead and simplified this to

y^2 -72y + 72 ^6\log y=0

where y=x-1, but, as I said, I never learned how to solve this type of equation involving both polynomial terms and logarithms and I don't know how to proceed.
 
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NanakiXIII said:
This is not actually a homework question, but it seemed appropriate to put it here. In an old exam from 1921 I found the following problem. I never learned how to solve this type of thing and I haven't been able to figure it out, so: how does one solve this?

Homework Statement



Solve for x:

\frac{(x-1)^2}{(x-1)-^6\log (x-1)} = 3 \times 6^{3\times^6\log 2 + 2\times^6\log 3}
You have several instances of expressions such as 6log (something). I suspect that these really mean log6(something). IOW, the log expressions are log-base 6. Please clarify.
NanakiXIII said:

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The Attempt at a Solution



I went ahead and simplified this to

y^2 -72y + 72 ^6\log y=0

where y=x-1, but, as I said, I never learned how to solve this type of equation involving both polynomial terms and logarithms and I don't know how to proceed.
 
Yes, exactly. That's how we wrote log-base-6 in school.
 
On the right, use the laws of logarithms: a log(x)= log(x^a), log(x)+ log(y)= log(xy), and b^{log_b(x)}= x to get 3(6^{3log_6(2)+ 2log_6(3)})= 3(6^{log_6((2^3)(3^2)})= 3(8)(9)= 216 By the way, it is NOT a good idea to use "\times" to indicate multiplication when you have x as the unknown. Just use parentheses.
 
Yes, it would appear I miscalculated, the 72's in my equation should be 216's. I'll edit my post. That said, though, I still don't know how to solve the equation.

Edit: Actually, it appears I can't edit the original post, so here's an erratum:

My simplification (last equation) should be

y^2 - 216 y - 216 \log_6 y = 0

where y = x-1.
 
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Since that equation involves both powers of y and logarithm of y, the solution cannot be written in terms of "elementary" functions. It should be possible, by taking the exponential of both sides, to get it in the form ve^v= \text{constant} and then solve it in terms of the Lambert W function.
 
Well, that explains why I never learned to solve this. However, since this is an old high school exam, I would be surprised if there was not a simpler solution. It is probably possible to solve it using elementary functions and a logarithm table.
 

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