Equation (with polar coordinates) of circle on a sphere

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a circle on a sphere defined by two points in spherical coordinates. Participants explore various methods to derive an explicit formula for the circle centered at one of the points while passing through the other, considering the mathematical complexities involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving two points on a sphere and seeks an explicit formula for the circle defined by these points in spherical coordinates.
  • Another participant confirms the setup and suggests that there are multiple methods to construct the circle, including rotating axes to simplify the problem.
  • A participant mentions attempts to find a solution through various geometric constructions, including intersections of planes and spheres, but seeks a simpler algebraic solution.
  • One participant proposes that the circle lies in a plane formed by the vectors of the two points and suggests using Pythagorean principles to find the radius of the circle.
  • A later reply indicates that a solution has been found through external resources, but notes that it may not directly correspond to the original equation requested.
  • Another participant points out that while the found solution is useful, it does not directly answer the initial question posed.

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Participants generally agree on the nature of the problem and the methods to approach it, but there is no consensus on a definitive solution or the exact equation sought.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the complexity of the mathematical solutions and the adequacy of the methods attempted. There are unresolved aspects concerning the algebraic simplicity of the desired equation.

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Readers interested in spherical geometry, mathematical modeling of circles on spheres, or those seeking to understand the complexities of spherical coordinates may find this discussion relevant.

mario991
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hi,
i'm a newbie...
i have this problem:
i have a sphere with known and constant R (obvious),
i have two point with spherical coordinates
P1=(R,p_1,t_1) and P0=(R, p_0, t_0)
p_x = phi x = latitude x
t_x = theta x =longitude x
the distance between point is
D= R*arccos[cos(p_0)*cos(p_1)+sin(p_0)*sin(p_1)*cos(t_1-t_0)]
source (http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/51882.html)
or similar (http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/latlong.html)

but in spherical coordinates which is explicit formula of the
circle on sphere with center in P0 and radius P0 to P1 ?

many thanks
mario

PS image on this link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/807dqx0wovvw34v/2015-03-24_213647.png?dl=0

PSS i cannot understand if this is the same problem ...
https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ven-two-points-on-circle.571535/#post-3732362
 
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I take it P0 and P1 are both on a sphere radius R centered at the origin?
You want the spherical-polar coordinates for a circle center P0 that passes through P1?

There are a number of ways to construct it - i.e. you can rotate the axes to that the z axis goes through P0, work out the formula, then rotate back.
What have you tried?
 
Simon Bridge said:
I take it P0 and P1 are both on a sphere radius R centered at the origin?
yes
You want the spherical-polar coordinates for a circle center P0 that passes through P1?
yes

There are a number of ways to construct it - i.e. you can rotate the axes to that the z axis goes through P0, work out the formula, then rotate back.
What have you tried?

i have tried many way (intersection plane A x + B y + C z = D with sphere x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = R^2, intersect cylinder (or cone) with sphere) but I'm searching the simpliest algebrically solution ...

PS soultion with programs like Wolframalpha or Derive for R*arccos[cos(p_0)*cos(p_1)+sin(p_0)*sin(p_1)*cos(t_1-t_0)] - D = 0 are to complex and give not the correct solution
 
How about this:
If P0 is at ##\vec r_0## and P1 is at ##\vec r_1## then these two vectors form a plane.
The circle you want is in the plane perpendicular to ##\vec r_0## that contains the point P1.
The radius of the circle in that plane is given by Pythagoras ... sketch out the vectors and you should see what I mean.
 
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Solution found!
5.gif
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all on http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/ParametricEquationOfACircleIn3D/
thanks Mr. Simon !
 
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Technically that is not the equation you asked for, but you can certainly use it to find the one you asked for.
 

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