Equations of Tangent Lines to y=4x^{3}+5x-8 Passing Through (1,-3)

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The problem involves finding equations of tangent lines to the curve defined by y=4x³+5x-8 that pass through the point (1,-3). The subject area includes calculus, specifically the concepts of derivatives and tangent lines.

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  • Participants discuss the derivative of the function, which is 12x²+5, and its significance in determining the slope of tangent lines. There are attempts to relate the derivative to the point (1,-3) and to formulate equations for the tangent lines. Some participants question the original poster's understanding of how to apply the derivative in this context.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between the derivative and tangent lines. There is mention of looking for specific values of m that would yield tangent lines, indicating that multiple interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants note that the original question requires finding two equations for the tangent lines, which adds a layer of complexity to the problem. There is also a suggestion to consider simultaneous equations to find the tangent lines, indicating a need for further exploration of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Find equations of all tangent lines to the graph of [tex]y=4x^{3}+5x-8[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I took the derivative of the equation, which was:

[tex]\acute{y}=12x^{2}+5[/tex]

I remember having done these types of questions in high school, but I just can't remember, and I can't find any questions which are similar. Urg!
 
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What does a derivative give you? You may be over-thinking this.
 
Essentially you look at the points (x,4x^3+5x-8) on the curve and for each point associate a tangent line. That is, solve (y-y(x_0))=y'(x_0)(x-x_0) for y.
 
Mindscrape said:
What does a derivative give you? You may be over-thinking this.
It gives you the slope at any single point on a line.

I thought I should use the [tex]12x^{2}+5[/tex], and the point [tex](1,-3)[/tex] in [tex]y=mx+b[/tex], to find a [tex]b[/tex] value, but when it's all said and done I don't get a tangent line. I get [tex]y=(12x^{2}+5)x-20[/tex] which just goes through the line.

BTW, they're looking for a total of two equations for the answer.
 
ThomasHW said:
It gives you the slope at any single point on a line.

I thought I should use the [tex]12x^{2}+5[/tex], and the point [tex](1,-3)[/tex] in [tex]y=mx+b[/tex], to find a [tex]b[/tex] value, but when it's all said and done I don't get a tangent line. I get [tex]y=(12x^{2}+5)x-20[/tex] which just goes through the line.

BTW, they're looking for a total of two equations for the answer.
It gives you the slope of the tangent line! Which is exactly what you want.
And slope is a number not a formula in x. If you are looking for the slope of the tangent line at a point on the curve, you evaluate the derivative at the x value of that point.

Your original question said "Find equations of all tangent lines". I THINK you are now saying "find equations for all tangent lines to 4x3+ 5x- 8 that pass through (1, -3)" but you never told us about that last part!
One way to do that is not look at the derivative but look for solutions to the simultaneous equations y= m(x-1)+ 3 (any line through (1,3) can be written like that) and y= 4x3+ 5x- 8. For specific values of m that would give you a cubic for x which typically has three distinct answers. Look for the value of m so that equation has a double (or triple) root. That's how DesCartes found tangent lines "pre-calculus".
 
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