Equilibrium Force on Floating Object

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The problem involves a flat steel plate floating on mercury, subjected to three forces at the corners of a square. The objective is to determine a fourth force that will maintain equilibrium, including its magnitude, direction, and point of application along a specified line.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of summing force vectors and the calculation of torque due to forces at specific points. Questions arise regarding the selection of a centralized location for force analysis and the relevance of torque equations in static equilibrium.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the equations relevant to the problem, including the sum of forces and torques. There is ongoing exploration of how to determine the application point of the fourth force and whether the Principle of Virtual Work is applicable. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the appropriate equations and methods for analyzing the forces and torques involved. There is mention of potential constraints related to the geometry of the setup and the need for clarity on the application point of the fourth force.

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Homework Statement


This problem is found in The Exercises for the Feynman Lectures on Physics:
A flat steel plate floating on mercury is acted upon by three forces at three corners of a square of side 0.100 m. Find a single fourth force which will hold the plate in equilibrium. Give the magnitude, direction, and point of application along the line AB.
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Homework Equations


Trig.

The Attempt at a Solution


What I did to find the force vector was to imagine the forces at a centralized location then add them together. Breaking FO down into its components, I found the following:

Fx=50N-35.6N=14.4N
Fy=50N-35.6N=14.4N

Meaning there is a net force of 20.1N at 45° from the X axis. To counteract this, the fourth force must be equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. So F4=20.1N at 225°.

However, I have no idea how to figure out the point of application. I think this is related to the translation of the forces but I also had the idea of finding the moments about the center of the square due to the forces at P and Q. This yielded nothing fruitful, unfortunately. Any help would be great.
 
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Hi,
Louns said:
had the idea of finding the moments about the center of the square due to the forces at P and Q. This yielded nothing fruitful
How so ?
 
Louns said:

Homework Equations


Trig.
More than just "Trig" is relevant when you have static equilibrium situations. What are the appropriate equations?
Louns said:
... at a centralized location then add them together.
How exactly did you pick this centralized location?
 
BvU said:
How so ?
Well, I found the torque of these two forces:

τP=rxF or τ=r*Fsinθ, where r=0.71, F=50N, and θ=135°
τP=25.1Nm so τtotal=50.2Nm clockwise

However, this is where I get lost. Isn't the angle of F4 and the lever arm 0? And if it isn't, the equation has two variables, the distance and the angle. Is this the correct approach with botched analysis or is there another way that I haven't thought of?
 
kuruman said:
What are the appropriate equations?
I guess I'm not entirely sure of the relevant equations in this case. Perhaps the torque equation? Could the Principle of Virtual Work come into play?
kuruman said:
How exactly did you pick this centralized location?
Again, I wasn't sure if it mattered so I redrew them all at a single location without any bearing to the drawing. After working on the application point for a while, I thought maybe there is some way to properly translate forces, but I was unable to find any reading material on the subject. If there is, then I would only move the force at P to Q, and work from there.
 
The relevant equations are
1. Sum of all the forces = zero. You already implemented that.
2. Sum of all the torques = zero. To implement this, remember that it matters where a force are applied; you just can't pick any place. So put F4 at x on line AB, then find x.
 

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