Undergrad Equivalence Principle & Geometry: Ben Crowell's General Relativity

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The discussion centers on the necessity of the equivalence principle in Ben Crowell's "General Relativity," which states that inertial and gravitational mass are equivalent. This equivalence is crucial for a geometric treatment of gravity, as it ensures that all objects, regardless of their composition, follow the same path when launched from the same point and velocity. In contrast, if different materials had varying ratios of inertial and gravitational masses, their trajectories would differ, contradicting the geometric framework. Thus, the requirement that the ratio of gravitational to inertial mass be constant and equal for all objects is essential for maintaining the integrity of a geometric theory of gravity. The equivalence principle is foundational for understanding how gravity can be described geometrically.
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why does geometric treatment of gravitation require equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass?
In the first sentence of Chapter 2 in Ben Crowell's "General Relativity" he states:

"The geometrical treatment of space, time, and gravity only requires as its basis the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass".

This is stated as if it's an obvious fact, but I don't understand why. Why does a geometric treatment of gravitation require the equivalence principle? I must be missing something obvious. What am I missing here?
 
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checksix said:
Why does a geometric treatment of gravitation require the equivalence principle? I must be missing something obvious. What am I missing here?
In Newtonian physics ##F=m_ia##, where ##m_i## is the inertial mass, and ##F=GMm_g/r^2##, where ##m_g## is the gravitational mass. Hence ##a\propto(m_g/m_i)##. One could imagine two materials that have different ratios of inertial and gravitational masses and hence that they would follow different paths even if launched from the same place at the same velocity.

But a geometric theory requires that two objects launched from the same place at the same velocity follow the same path. If they don't then it isn't just geometry that matters - what the objects are made of matters also. Hence we require that for a geometric theory ##m_g/m_i## is equal for all objects and we are free to pick units so that it is one.
 
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Got it. Thanks!
 
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