Equivalence principle to argue mass and weight are the same?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between mass and weight, particularly in the context of the equivalence principle. Participants explore whether the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass can be used to argue that mass and weight are fundamentally the same, despite traditional teachings that they are distinct concepts.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a video that claims the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass suggests that mass and weight are the same, questioning how this conclusion is reached.
  • Another participant agrees with the original poster, stating that a mass far from any gravitational field has no weight, which supports the idea that mass and weight are different.
  • A participant challenges the validity of the video’s conclusion, noting that while the mass of an object remains constant regardless of location (e.g., Earth vs. Moon), its weight varies, which contradicts the claim of equivalence.
  • There is a general confusion regarding the argument presented in the video and its implications for the definitions of mass and weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the equivalence principle and its implications for mass and weight. There is no consensus on whether mass and weight can be considered the same.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of gravitational fields in defining weight, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and contexts of mass and weight.

Jimmy87
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Hi pf, I have recently watched a YouTube physics video from SixtySymbols channel which is a channel of short physics videos presented by professors of physics from Nottingham University. The video (pasted below) argues that because of inertial mass and gravitational mass being equivalent this provides an argument that mass and weight are the same thing? He ends the video by saying that if some smarty pants scientist tells you that mass and weight are different because weight is a force then you can tell them that fundamentally they are the same due to the equivalence principle. I really don't understand the connection. I have come across mass equivalence before and I understand what it is and understand his explanation of it in the video but what I don't understand is how this can be used to argue that mass and weight are the same? I was always taught by all my physics teachers that mass and weight are strictly different. For example, if you have a mass sitting far out from any gravitational field then it has no weight since the product of its mass and acceleration due to gravity is zero. However, it still definitely has mass so how can these two things ever be the same?

Link to video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSIuTxnBuJk&list=UUvBqzzvUBLCs8Y7Axb-jZewMany thanks for any help!
 
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Jimmy87 said:
For example, if you have a mass sitting far out from any gravitational field then it has no weight...

Congratulations, you answered your own question correctly.
 
anorlunda said:
Congratulations, you answered your own question correctly.

But if I'm right then why does a professor of physics argue otherwise?
 
His conclusion at the end of the video makes no sense to me either. For example: the mass of a bag of sugar is the same on the Earth and on the Moon, but the weight is different.

I don't follow his argument that the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass leads to the equivalence of mass and weight.
 

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