Eroding Metal with very small forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether a piece of iron can be eroded or dented by applying very small forces over an extended period, specifically through repeated tapping. The scope includes theoretical considerations of material properties, deformation, and environmental factors affecting iron.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that tapping on iron for millions of years could eventually create a dent, suggesting that each tap displaces some iron atoms.
  • Another participant agrees but emphasizes the necessity of a water and oxygen-free environment to prevent rusting, which could obscure the effects of tapping.
  • A different perspective is introduced, comparing the erosion of iron to the smoothing of rocks in streams due to flowing water, implying a similar gradual process of wear.
  • One participant recalls that iron may resist infinite cycles of small deformation, referencing the concept of elastic limit, which introduces a notion of resilience against such forces.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the resistance may seem infinite in practical terms, it is not truly infinite, and notes that over extremely long timescales, iron could sublimate atom by atom if not otherwise affected.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of small forces on iron over time, with some agreeing on the potential for erosion while others introduce conditions and limitations that complicate the discussion. No consensus is reached regarding the extent or nature of the erosion process.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the environment in which the tapping occurs, the definition of "infinite" in the context of deformation cycles, and the implications of sublimation over long timescales.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying material science, physics of solids, or anyone curious about the effects of prolonged mechanical stress on materials.

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Consider we have an iron piece. If we could somehow tap on the iron with our finger for a very long long time, I mean millions of years, would it ever be able to make a dent?
 
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Yes. Assuming your finger stays healthy and regenerates to keep tapping. Every tap pushes some iron atoms to the side.

You might want to do that in a water and oxygen-free environment, otherwise it will rust way before you see any effect from tapping.
 
Rocks in streams are smooth because the flowing water gradually wears them away.
 
True but I remember reading something about iron being able to resist infinite cycles of deformation if they are small enough. It was on the topic of elastic limit.
 
Infinite for all practical purposes, not actually infinite.
On extremely long timescales, the iron will sublimate atom by atom if nothing else destroys it before.
 
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Thanks for the answer. That makes sense.
 

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