Estimation of the Power Output of a steam turbine

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The discussion revolves around estimating the amount of steam required to generate a specific amount of electrical power using steam turbines. Participants explore mathematical approaches, energy conservation principles, and the properties of steam, while also addressing the broader context of steam turbine operation and efficiency.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the estimation can be derived from the energy content of the steam and the efficiency of the turbine.
  • There is mention of a basic conservation of energy formula: Eout = Ein * Efficiency, though its application is noted to be broad.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for specific details such as pressure, temperature, and mass flow of steam to make accurate calculations.
  • Another participant proposes that rather than a formula, a table of steam properties is necessary for estimation.
  • Some express the need for resources or textbooks that cover steam turbine calculations and thermodynamics.
  • There is a suggestion that the duration a boiler can serve a turbine generator set depends on continuous fuel supply, challenging the framing of the question regarding time.
  • Participants recommend various textbooks and online resources for further reading on steam turbine thermodynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific method for estimation, and multiple viewpoints regarding the approach to the problem remain. The discussion includes both broad principles and specific queries without definitive resolutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the question is broad and may require more specific details to provide accurate answers. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for assumptions regarding efficiency and properties of steam.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in steam turbine operation, thermodynamics, and those seeking resources for further study in these areas.

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Hoow can one estimate the amount of steam required to generate certain amount of electical power mathematicaly?
 
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Chandrakanth_balusa said:
Hoow can one estimate the amount of steam required to generate certain amount of electical power mathematicaly?
Broad answer to broad question: From the energy content of the steam and the efficiency of the turbine.
 
russ_watters said:
Broad answer to broad question: From the energy content of the steam and the efficiency of the turbine.
Hello Russ Watters,

thanks for your response!
do u have any mathematical formulae concernig my question?

regards
Balusa
 
Chandrakanth_balusa said:
thanks for your response!
do u have any mathematical formulae concernig my question?
Again, the question is very broad, so the response is a basic conservation of energy statement:

Eout = Ein * Efficiency

If what you really want to know is the details of how a turbine works, I suggest starting with some of your own reading and then asking specific questions about that.
 
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What you need is not a formula, but rather a table of the properties of water and steam. Such tables are easy to find on the Internet.

Take the energy of the steam coming into the turbine, minus the energy of the steam coming out. As a first approximation, assume 100% efficiency and neglect other secondary factors.

But you must specify the pressure, temperature, and mass flow of steam coming in, and the pressure, temperature, and (presumably the same) mass flow coming out of the turbine.

If the steam is re-heated, then you can use the same procedure to separately calculate the powers of the high pressure turbine and the intermetiade/low pressure turbines.
 
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russ_watters said:
Again, the question is very broad, so the response is a basic conservation of energy statement:

Eout = Ein * Efficiency

If what you really want to know is the details of how a turbine works, I suggest starting with some of your own reading and then asking specific questions about that.
to be specific , I have some knowledge of how the turbine generators sets work in a steam power plant.
i have seen some threads regarding the calculation of turbine output power.
but i wanted to know if there is any possibility to estimate if how long a boiler can serve particular turbine generator set to produce power continously depending on the steam available,
if possible can anyone suggest me a nice platform or books regarding steam turbines with calculations and some examples!
 
Chandrakanth_balusa said:
to be specific , I have some knowledge of how the turbine generators sets work in a steam power plant.
i have seen some threads regarding the calculation of turbine output power.
but i wanted to know if there is any possibility to estimate if how long a boiler can serve particular turbine generator set to produce power continously depending on the steam available...
That's an oddly worded question. There should not be a "how long" or rather the answer is: as long as you keep providing it with fuel.
...if possible can anyone suggest me a nice platform or books regarding steam turbines with calculations and some examples!
Any introductory thermodynamics book will put considerable emphasis on this. I keep the textbook by Cengel and Boles at my desk (for HVAC).

There's lots of online resources that look good too, googling "steam turbine thermodynamics".
 
russ_watters said:
That's an oddly worded question. There should not be a "how long" or rather the answer is: as long as you keep providing it with fuel.

Any introductory thermodynamics book will put considerable emphasis on this. I keep the textbook by Cengel and Boles at my desk (for HVAC).

There's lots of online resources that look good too, googling "steam turbine thermodynamics".
ok thank you for valuable responses.
I will come back again with few question after gaining some knowledge of steam turbines.
 
See Fundamentals of Engineering Thermodynanics by Moran et al.
 

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