Euler's equation for one-dimensional flow (Landau Lifshitz)

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of Euler's equation for one-dimensional flow of an ideal fluid as presented in Landau & Lifshitz's Fluid Mechanics. Participants explore the derivation of the equation, the role of Lagrangian variables, and the implications of the convective term in the context of fluid dynamics.

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  • One participant questions how the authors arrive at Euler's equation in the context of one-dimensional motion, specifically regarding the omission of the convective term.
  • Another participant suggests that the term (\mathbf{v}⋅\textbf{grad})\mathbf{v} could be zero due to the nature of one-dimensional flow, where velocity and gradient are parallel or anti-parallel.
  • Some participants clarify that the derivation involves applying Newton's law to a group of fluid particles, leading to the conclusion that the Euler derivative incorporates the convective term.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of the relationship between the gradient and velocity vectors, with some asserting that they must be parallel or anti-parallel, while others challenge this interpretation.
  • One participant emphasizes that Landau did not state that the gradient and velocity vectors are perpendicular, instead highlighting the equivalence of the Euler derivative and the convective derivative.

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Participants express differing interpretations regarding the relationship between the gradient and velocity vectors, and whether the convective term can be disregarded in the one-dimensional case. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on these points.

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The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the nature of fluid flow and the mathematical treatment of derivatives in fluid dynamics, particularly in one-dimensional scenarios.

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One page 5 in Landau & Lifshitz Fluid Mechanics (2nd edition), the authors pose the following problem:
Write down the equations for one-dimensional motion of an ideal fluid in terms of the variables a, t, where a (called a Lagrangian variable) is the x coordinate of a fluid particle at some instant t=t0.

The authors then go on to give their solutions and assumptions. Here are the important parts:

The coordinate x of a fluid particle at an instant t is regarded as a function of t and its coordinate a at the initial instant: x=x(a,t).

For the condition of mass conversation the authors arrive at (where ρ_0=ρ(a) is the given initial density distribution):
<br /> ρ\mathrm{d}x=ρ_0 \mathrm{d}a<br />

or alternatively:
<br /> ρ\left(\frac{∂x}{∂a}\right)_t=ρ_0<br />

Now the authors go on to write out Euler's equation, where I start to miss something. With the velocity of the fluid particle v=\left(\frac{∂x}{∂t}\right)_a and \left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right)_a the rate of change of the velocity of the particle during its motion, they write for Euler's equation:
<br /> \left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right)_a=−1ρ_0 \left(\frac{∂p}{∂a}\right)_t<br />

How are the authors arriving at that equation?

In particular, when looking at the full Euler's equation:
<br /> \frac{∂v}{∂t}+(\mathbf{v}⋅\textbf{grad})\mathbf{v}=−1 ρ\, \textbf{grad}\, p<br />

what happens with the second term on the LHS, (\mathbf{v}⋅\textbf{grad})\mathbf{v}? Why does it not appear in the authors' solution?
 
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jedishrfu said:
Could it be that (v.grad)v is zero meaning the v is perpendicular to grad v?

This. It's a 1-D flow, so the gradient and velocity must be parallel or anti-parallel to one another.
 
That's precisely the point of this exercise.
The derivation is simple: consider a bunch of particles in a range [a,a+da],
and apply Newtons law on this bunch of particles.
You will immediately get the result.
The point is that

\left(\frac{dv}{dt}\right) = \left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right)_a

Note that by definition:

\left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right) = \left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right)_x

The gradient term (convective term) is precisely the variation of velocity that comes from "following the fluid".
The Euler view, where a is taken constant, follows the fluid.
Therefore the "Euler derivative" incorporates the convective term: it is the change of speed when following the fluid.
 
boneh3ad said:
This. It's a 1-D flow, so the gradient and velocity must be parallel or anti-parallel to one another.


Maybe I am being dense, but isn't this a contradiction to what the author above said (namely that gradient and vector are perpendicular)?
 
Landau never said that "gradient and vector are perpendicular".
Here is what he said in the solution to this exercise:

SOLUTION. In these variables the co-ordinate x of any fluid particle at any instant is regarded
as a function of t and its co-ordinate a at the initial instant: x = x(a, t). The condition
of conservation of mass during the motion of a fluid element (the equation of continuity)
is accordingly written ... , or
where ... is a given initial density distribution. The velocity of a fluid particle is, by
definition, ... , and the derivative ... gives the rate of change of the velocity
of the particle during its motion. Euler's equation becomes
and the adiabatic equation is ... .

The message of this exercice is that the "Euler derivative" (derivative when following the fluid) is the same thing as the convective derivative

\left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right)_a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{∂v}{∂t}+(\mathbf{v}⋅\textbf{grad})\mathbf{v}

where by definition

\left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right) = \left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right)_x
 
maajdl said:
Landau never said that "gradient and vector are perpendicular".
Here is what he said in the solution to this exercise:



The message of this exercice is that the "Euler derivative" (derivative when following the fluid) is the same thing as the convective derivative

\left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right)_a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{∂v}{∂t}+(\mathbf{v}⋅\textbf{grad})\mathbf{v}

where by definition

\left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right) = \left(\frac{∂v}{∂t}\right)_x


Thank you! Your explanation pointed me in the right direction. :-)
 

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