Evaluate "Proof of Theorem on Real-Valued Function Defined on Interval [0,1]

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter uman
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Proof
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

This thread discusses a proposed proof of a theorem regarding a real-valued function defined on the interval [0,1], specifically addressing the countability of the set of points where the function is non-zero. The discussion includes the validity of the proof, potential improvements, and critiques of the writing style and notation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The initial post presents a proof by contradiction, assuming the set S of points where the function is non-zero is uncountable and exploring the implications of this assumption.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the notation used, particularly the meaning of T in the context of the proof.
  • A later reply attempts to clarify the proof by providing a more explicit version of the argument, suggesting a method to define a function n that leads to a contradiction regarding the countability of S.
  • There is a request for feedback on the proof's validity and suggestions for making the last part more rigorous.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the validity of the proof or the clarity of the notation. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the proof's rigor and the interpretation of certain elements.

Contextual Notes

Some participants have pointed out potential ambiguities in the notation and assumptions made in the proof, which may affect the clarity and rigor of the argument presented.

uman
Messages
348
Reaction score
1
Discussion: This is a proposed solution to problem 2-13 in Apostol's "Mathematical Analysis". The method came to me after a lot of thought but it seems kind of bizarre and I'm wondering if there's a better way to prove this. I especially think the last part could be made more rigorous/explicit.

Also, I'm not even sure my proof is valid! Tell me what you guys think.

Also feel free to critique writing style, minor errors, choice of variable names, etc...

THEOREM: Let [tex]f[/tex] be a real-valued function defined on the interval [tex][0,1][/tex] with the following property: There exists a positive real number [tex]M[/tex] such that for any finite collection [tex]{x_1,\ldots,x_n}[/tex] of elements of [tex][0,1][/tex], [tex]|f(x_1)+\cdots +f(x_n)|\leq M[/tex]. Let [tex]S[/tex] denote the set of all real numbers [tex]0\leq x \leq 1[/tex] such that [tex]f(x)\not=0[/tex]. Then S is countable.

NOTATION: [tex][x][/tex] denotes the greatest integer less than [tex]x[/tex]. [tex]S_T[/tex] denotes the set of all real numbers [tex]x[/tex] in [tex][0,1][/tex] such that [tex]f(x) \epsilon T[/tex].

PROOF: We prove the statement by contradiction. Assume [tex]S[/tex] is uncountable. Then either [tex]S_{(-\infty,0)}[/tex] or [tex]S_{(0,+\infty)}[/tex] is uncountable (or both). We will prove the theorem for the case that [tex]S_{(0,+\infty)}[/tex] is uncountable. The proof for the other case is entirely analogous.

The fact that [tex]S_{(0,+\infty)}[/tex] is uncountable implies that either [tex]S_{(0,1)}[/tex] is uncountable or [tex]S_{[1,+\infty)}[/tex] is uncountable. In the latter case, we may simply choose [tex][M]+1[/tex] members of [tex]S_{[1,+\infty)} \{s_1,\ldots,s_{[M]+1}\}[/tex]. Then [tex]f(s_1)+\cdots+f(s_{[M]+1})>M[/tex], contradicting the hypothesis of the theorem.

If on the other hand [tex]S_{(0,1)}[/tex] is uncountable, then there must be some [tex]r[/tex] such that [tex]0<r<1[/tex] and [tex]S_{(r,1)}[/tex] is an infinite set. After we have proven this statement, we may choose [tex][\frac{M}{r}]+1[/tex] elements of some such set. The sum of the values of [tex]f[/tex] given these arguments will be greater than [tex]M[/tex], again contradicting our original assumption.

Assume that no such [tex]r[/tex] exists. Then we may assign a positive integer to any [tex]x[/tex] in [tex]S_{(0,1)}[/tex] by simply choosing [tex]r[/tex] such that [tex]0<r<x[/tex] and enumerating the elements in the finite set [tex]S_{(r,1)}[/tex]. This contradicts the fact that [tex]S_{(0,1)}[/tex] is uncountable. As noted earlier, this completes the proof for the case that [tex]S_{(0,+\infty)}[/tex] is uncountable. The other case is proved in exactly the same way.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
:-( nobody?
 
what the hell is T
 
That should read "by choosing [tex]r[/tex] such that [tex]0<r<f(x)[/tex]. Here's a more explicit version of the last bit (I hope):

Assume that no such [tex]r[/tex] exists. Now consider the function [tex]n[/tex] defined on [tex]S_{(0,1)}[/tex] as follows: To evaluate [tex]n(x)[/tex], choose some [tex]r[/tex] such that [tex]0<r<f(x)[/tex] and such that there is no [tex]y[/tex] such that [tex]r<f(y)<f(x)[/tex] or such that [tex]f(y)=f(x)[/tex] and [tex]y<x[/tex]. Then let [tex]n(x)[/tex] be the number of elements of [tex]S_{(r,1)}[/tex]. If [tex]n(x_0)=n(x_1)[/tex], then clearly [tex]x_0=x_1[/tex], so [tex]n[/tex] is an injective function from [tex]S_{(0,1)}[/tex] to the set of positive integers, contradicting the assumption that it is uncountable.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
4K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K