Evaluating integrals with infinity as boundary

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of the function \( x \cdot \exp(-|x|) \) over the entire real line, specifically addressing the behavior of the integral as it approaches infinity. Participants are exploring the implications of the integrand's properties and the concept of odd functions in relation to the integral's value.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss splitting the integral into two parts to handle the absolute value and examine the behavior of the function as it approaches infinity. There is also a focus on the properties of odd functions and their implications for the integral's value.

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Some participants have provided insights into the evaluation of limits and the behavior of the integrand, suggesting that the integral of an odd function over a symmetric interval results in cancellation. Others have shared specific antiderivative calculations and the application of l'Hôpital's rule, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of evaluating integrals with infinite boundaries and the implications of function properties, such as oddness, on the integral's outcome. There is mention of personal experiences with mathematical concepts, which adds a layer of context to the discussion.

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Hi all.

Please take a look at this:

[tex]\int_{ - \infty }^\infty {x \cdot \exp } \left( { - \left| x \right|} \right){\rm{d}}x = \left. {\left( { - \exp \left( { - \left| x \right|} \right) \cdot x} \right)} \right|_{ - \infty }^\infty + \int_{ - \infty }^\infty {\exp \left( { - \left| x \right|} \right){\rm{d}}x}[/tex]

When evaluating with infinity, does the first time equal zero or infinity? I mean does the exponential function "win" (and then the terms goes to zero) or does x win (and the term the n goes to infinity)?

The integral is supposed to equal zero.
 
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I would split it into two integrals -infinity to zero (where the integrand is x*exp(x)) and zero to +infinity (where the integrand is x*exp(-x)) just to get rid of the absolute value. Its very tricky to handle otherwise as your failed attempt shows. But you don't really even have to do that. f(x)=x*exp(-|x|) is an odd function (i.e. f(-x)=-f(x)). The integral of an odd function over a symmetric interval around the origin is always zero (if it exists). The plus part cancels the minus part.
 
Dick said:
Its very tricky to handle otherwise as your failed attempt shows.

I actually laughed when reading that - you wrote it in a funny way :smile:

The argument with the function being odd is good - but just so I have it in my "toolbox" for later, what would I do when I have to evaluate limits like that? What function "wins"?

Thanks.
 
The antiderivative for positive x is F(x)=(-x-1)e^(-x). So for the positive part do F(infinity)-F(0)=0-(-1)=1. (For the infinity part you'll need to take a limit as x -> infinity (-x-1)/e^x, use l'Hopital, you'll find the exponential 'wins' - is that what you mean?). For negative x the antiderivative is F(x)=(x-1)e^(x). F(0)-F(-infinity)=-1-0=-1. Plus and minus parts cancel. Does that help?
 
Ahh, l'Hopital [The Hospital Rule, as my teacher used to say] - I had totally forgotten it.

I solved it - thanks!
 
You could also try this.

[tex] \int_{-\infty}^\infty x e^{-|x|} \, dx = \int_{-\infty}^0 x e^{-|x|} \,dx<br /> +\int_0^\infty x e^{-|x|} \, dx[/tex]

Since [tex]x[/tex] is always positive in the second integral, it is simply

[tex] \int_0^\infty x e^{-x} \, dx[/tex]

In the first integral, since [tex]x[/tex] is always negative,

[tex] \int_{-\infty}^0 x e^{-|x|} \, dx = \int_{-\infty}^0 x e^x \,dx[/tex]

Set u = -x; the second integral becomes

[tex] \int_{\infty}^0 (-u) e^{-u} \, (-du) = \int_{-\infty}^0 u e^{-u} \, du = -\int_0^\infty u e^{-u} \, du[/tex]

The original integral is the sum of these two integrals, and since they are negatives of each other, their sum is zero.
This is a long use of the fact that the integrand is an odd function of [tex]x[/tex], but the idea of splitting a single integral at zero can be used in other problems.
 

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