Evaluation of a Sinc Integral: Solving a Common Problem in Communications Theory

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a specific sinc integral commonly encountered in communications theory. Participants explore various methods for solving the integral, share their calculations, and discuss the implications of their findings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Warren initiates the discussion by asking for help in evaluating a sinc integral, suggesting that it has an analytic solution that can be found by hand.
  • Warren proposes an identity involving the product of sinc functions that simplifies the evaluation process, claiming to arrive at a result of 1/4.
  • Another participant challenges Warren's result, stating they obtained πT/4 by using the same identities and performing a u-substitution.
  • Warren acknowledges the challenge and suggests that there may be a simpler method involving the normalization of terms, leading to a different result of 5/4, but expresses uncertainty about the discrepancy.
  • Warren later corrects himself regarding the identity, clarifying that it should be a convolution rather than multiplication, indicating a potential source of confusion in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct evaluation of the integral, with multiple competing results (1/4, πT/4, and 5/4) presented and uncertainty expressed about the methods used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential errors in their calculations and identities, but do not resolve the discrepancies or clarify the correct approach to the integral.

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Can anyone show me how to evaluate an integral like this by hand? I believe such integrals have an analytic solution, but I can't figure out how to find them. Mathematica seems unable to help (the Integrate command runs forever) but I believe this can be done by hand. It's a sort of integral commonly found in communications theory. I actually don't think it's supposed to be very hard...

[itex] \int_{ - \infty }^\infty {\left[ {\frac{1}<br /> {{\sqrt T }}\operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{t}<br /> {T}} \right) - \frac{1}<br /> {{2\sqrt T }}\operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t - T}}<br /> {T}} \right)} \right]^2 dt} [/itex]

where

[itex] \operatorname{sinc} \left( t \right) \triangleq \frac{{\sin \left( {\pi t} \right)}}<br /> {{\pi t}}[/itex]

Obviously I can expand the binomial out, but I'm left with products of sinc's with different arguments, and I don't know how to continue.

- Warren
 
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Actually, the identity

[itex] \operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + mT}}<br /> {T}} \right) \cdot \operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + nT}}<br /> {T}} \right) = T\operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + (m + n)T}}<br /> {T}} \right)[/itex]

makes life much sweeter. I got 1/4. Anyone else care to check my work?

- Warren
 
Using the identities you posted I got [itex]\pi T / 4[/itex]. I squared out the integrand and split up the integral into 3 integrals. The first two exactly canceled each other out, leaving only the third one:

[tex]\frac{1}{4}\int_{ - \infty }^\infty \operatorname{sinc}\left(\frac{t-2T}{T}\right)dt[/tex]

U-substitution yields:

[tex]\frac{T}{4}\int_{ - \infty }^\infty \operatorname{sinc}(u)du[/tex]

The integral (sans outside coefficient) evaluates to [itex]\pi[/itex].

Regarding Mathematica, MathWorld has this to say in its article on the sinc function:

MathWorld said:
This function will be implemented in a future version of Mathematica as Sinc[x].

So I guess you'll have to wait a bit longer to get the computer to do it for you.
 
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You can define your own piecewise Sinc function in Mathematica quite easily.

As it turns out, though, Tom, we're both wrong, but I can't exactly say why. I followed your method similarly, finding two terms which cancelled, leaving the third.

However, there's a much simpler way, subject to fewer mistakes. Note that all terms of the form

[itex] \frac{a}<br /> {{\sqrt T }}\operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t - nT}}<br /> {T}} \right)[/itex]

are normalized, and integrate to a.

You can literally read the value of this integral directly off the coefficients a, if you consider the integrand to be a vector multiplication like this:

[itex] \frac{{a_1 }}<br /> {{\sqrt T }}\operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{t}<br /> {T}} \right) + \frac{{a_2 }}<br /> {{\sqrt T }}\operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t - T}}<br /> {T}} \right) \Leftrightarrow \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {a_1 } & {a_2 } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] \cdot \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right][/itex]

The value of the integral, then, is the squared norm of this vector. In this case, the result is 5/4. I'm still not exactly sure why integrating this long-hand produces a different value, but I'm pretty sure I just flubbed some algebra.

I've learned something in this communications class: if anything looks hard, you're doing it wrong. Thanks for the help though!

- Warren
 
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As it turns out, though, Tom, we're both wrong, but I can't exactly say why. I followed your method similarly, finding two terms which cancelled, leaving the third.

I am certain that I integrated correctly. That being the case I decided to take a closer look at the identity you posted, since I started from that.

[itex] \operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + mT}}<br /> {T}} \right) \cdot \operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + nT}}<br /> {T}} \right) = T\operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + (m + n)T}}<br /> {T}} \right)[/itex]

Let m=0 and n=-1. Then you get:

sinc(t/T)sinc((t-T)/T)=Tsinc((t-T)/T)

Now let t=0:

sinc(0)sinc(-1)=Tsinc(-1)

Since T is arbitrary and sinc(-1) does not equal zero, the equation above is not an identity.
 
Whoops! I posted my identity incorrectly.

It should be

[itex] \operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + mT}}<br /> {T}} \right) \,\star\, \operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + nT}}<br /> {T}} \right) = T\operatorname{sinc} \left( {\frac{{t + (m + n)T}}<br /> {T}} \right)[/itex]

Convolution, not multiplication. :blushing:

- Warren
 

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