Evaporation of the tube-side coefficient in a heat exchanger

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a reactor with internal cooling using water flowing through tubes, where the coolant is intended to evaporate within the reactor. Participants explore the implications of this evaporation on flow dynamics, pressure requirements, and design considerations, particularly in relation to heat transfer and safety.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the challenge of accounting for increased vapor volume when water is evaporated in the reactor, questioning the safety of using a single expansion joint to manage flow speeds.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that vapor exit speeds could reach several kilometers per second, suggesting that flow resistance would limit this and emphasizing the need for a more detailed analysis of the cooling system parameters.
  • There is a discussion about the potential need to pressurize the system to manage evaporation and volume changes, with references to using an accumulator to accommodate these changes.
  • Participants discuss the importance of maintaining a high heat transfer coefficient between the reactor gas and the tubes, and the implications of reactor temperature on design choices.
  • One participant provides specific calculations regarding saturation temperature and pressure for water at the reactor's operating conditions, suggesting control methods for managing temperature and flow.
  • There is mention of alternative cooling methods, such as using liquid metal, but it is noted that the decision to use water has already been made.
  • A participant shares links to resources that may assist in understanding the thermal properties relevant to the discussion.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the requirements for steam supply, including the need to know if the steam is superheated or at saturation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of vapor flow speeds and the necessity of pressurization. There is no clear consensus on the best approach to manage the design challenges presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their discussion, particularly the lack of access to industry-standard information and tools that would typically inform such design projects.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and professionals involved in reactor design, heat exchanger systems, and thermal dynamics may find the discussion relevant.

Hoplite
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I've got a problem. I'm trying to design a reactor with internal cooling provided by water flowing through tubes directly within the reactor. Basically, it's like a shell and tube heat exchanger with an internal heat source.

The problem is that the cooling water is to be evaporated within the reactor, and I don't know how to account for the resulting increase in volume. If I pump the coolant in at a standard liquid speed of 2m/s, then the exist vapour will be at several kilometers per second. This is no doubt well above the speed of sound in steam and would obviously damage the pipes.

So, is it safe to just include a single expansion joint in the tubes within the reactor so that the inlet and outlet speeds are within safe range, or would that just cause other problems?

I can't find anything in the literature about evaporation of coolant streams, but I'm sure it's done in industry.
 
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If I pump the coolant in at a standard liquid speed of 2m/s, then the exist vapour will be at several kilometers per second.
How did you figure that? I think the flow resistance would prevent that. One cannot do a simple mass balance and change in specific volume.

What are the parameters of the cooling system.

One may need to pressurize it, in which case, it is normal to have an accumulator on such a system to account for changes in volume.

Depending on the temperature, cooling with liquid metal (NaK) might be better, but that has it's own complications.
 
I just realized I used the word "coefficient" in the title instead of coolant for some reason.

Astronuc said:
How did you figure that? I think the flow resistance would prevent that. One cannot do a simple mass balance and change in specific volume.
Well, if the mass of water entering the tubes is equal to the mass exiting, then the flow speed should be inversely proportional to the density. Of course, it not so possible to pump steam at that speed, but that’s my point.
Astronuc said:
What are the parameters of the cooling system.
260C isothermal reactor temperature with 110MW of cooling water required.
Astronuc said:
One may need to pressurize it, in which case, it is normal to have an accumulator on such a system to account for changes in volume.
Do you mean to pressurise it in order to prevent evaporation, to reduce the exit steam’s volume? I guess that might be the only option. Thanks.
Astronuc said:
Depending on the temperature, cooling with liquid metal (NaK) might be better, but that has it's own complications.
The decision to use water has already been made though. The steam has already been earmarked for use elsewhere within the process.
 
Hi Hoplite,
Well, if the mass of water entering the tubes is equal to the mass exiting, then the flow speed should be inversely proportional to the density.
Yes, that's exactly the reason higher pressure is desirable as Astronuc suggests. If your reactor is at 260 C, consider a temperature just below that which can give you a decent dT between the reactor and water. Let's use 20 C just for starters. The final temperature depends considerably on heat transfer from the tubes to reactor gas. You want the reactor gas to tube heat transfer coefficient to be high enough to perform the cooling required.

Given a water saturation temperature of 240 C (260 C - 20 C) the saturation pressure for water is about 485 psia. Thus the saturated vapor density is about 1.045 lbm/ft3. You can control to this temperature by putting a thermocouple on the discharge and varying flow either using a control valve or VFD on your pump.

We do something similar for cryogenic systems in which a vaporizer is used to warm a stream of cryogenic liquid to ambient temperature. In this case, the discharge piping of the vaporizer is sized to handle the pumped flow assuming warm gas on the outlet of the vaporizer. I think you'd want to do the same thing, size the steam pipe to handle the vapor required. I'd think your company, assuming you work in industry, already has these sorts of tools available to do these calculations efficiently. Do you work in industry, or is this just a hypothetical question for a school project?
 
I was wondering about the points made by Q_Goest.

This might be of use -

http://www.thermexcel.com/english/tables/eaubou1.htm
http://www.thermexcel.com/english/tables/vapeau1.htm


If this is a school or hypothetical project, that is one thing, but if this is an actual industrial design project, then must observe the applicable standards for design of Boiler and Pressure Vessels (e.g. ASME BPV Code).

Are the requirements for the steam supply 110 MW of steam at 260°C? Then one must also know the superheat or is it at saturation.
 
Thanks for your help, guys.

It's actually the final design project for my degree, so it has to be designed in detail, but without the information we'd have available in industry.
 

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