Examples of atoms that have more than 8 electrons in shell

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The discussion revolves around the concept of atoms having more than eight electrons in their outer shells, particularly in the context of the octet rule. Participants explore examples, terminology, and the implications of hypervalence in chemical bonding.

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  • One participant expresses curiosity about how atoms can have more than eight electrons in their shells and seeks examples and explanations.
  • Another participant questions the initial inquiry by asking for clarification on the term "shell" and suggests that the periodic table could provide examples of atoms with more than eight electrons in their orbitals.
  • A participant proposes the term "hypervalence" as a possible name for the phenomenon of having more than eight electrons.
  • Another participant confirms the term "hypervalent" and shares links to resources that explain the concept further, indicating their own learning journey regarding valence electrons and molecular formation.
  • There is a request for introductory resources or videos that explain the mathematics or concepts related to counting electrons and forming molecules.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial question, as there is a mix of clarifications, suggestions, and requests for further information. The discussion remains open-ended with various viewpoints presented.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of terms like "shell" and "valence electrons," indicating a need for clearer explanations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of understanding electron configurations beyond the octet rule.

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Hi

So we are about to learn about the octet rule. However once you get to higher shells you can have more than eight in the "shells" or orbit? But i have not been able to find a good example of how that works or happens. Does it have a specific name? I assume we are talking about say several fluorines conntected to a bigger atom. Sharing the electrons in some way.

Links on videos that explains it is very welcome.
 
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MatsNorway said:
Hi

So we are about to learn about the octet rule. However once you get to higher shells you can have more than eight in the "shells" or orbit? But i have not been able to find a good example of how that works or happens. Does it have a specific name? I assume we are talking about say several fluorines conntected to a bigger atom. Sharing the electrons in some way.

Links on videos that explains it is very welcome.

I don't understand this question.

First of all, what exactly do you mean by a "shell"? I ask this because I don't know why you can't just look up the periodic table and figure out the atoms that have more than 8 electrons in an orbital.

The s, p, d, f, etc... can have 2, 6, 10, 14, etc.. electrons, respectively. So already we know that an orbital CAN have more than 8 electrons. So why not look at atoms with a full d-orbital, for example? Shouldn't this be an atom that has more than 8 electrons in a "shell"?

{scratching head}

Zz.
 
MatsNorway said:
Does it have a specific name?
Hypervalence?
 
Correct. Found it after much googling. I first thought it was super octet but that seems to be the opposite.

What i have found so far.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervalent_molecule
https://chemistry.stackexchange.com...electrons-if-not-why-is-8-the-limit/5242#5242

In my course we do not go this far, what i was curious about is how you figure out how many of a atom can mix with another. And it led me down this rabbit hole, I started of just counting the electrons thinking they need to match up to become a molecule where one or both have 8 valence electrons. Before today i did not know what valence electrons was. Now i have some super basic idea.

If anyone have a super basic intro video to that kind of "math" or how to do video that would be appreciated ofc. Hell.. anything you think is quality on the topic is welcome. I devour good documentaries.
 

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