Existence of Scalar Potential for Irrotational Fields

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a scalar potential for irrotational vector fields, specifically examining the relationship between a vector field being the gradient of a potential and the condition that its curl is zero.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to prove that if the curl of a vector field is zero, then there exists a scalar potential such that the vector field is the gradient of that potential. They explore the implications of a line integral representing a potential function and question how to establish the relationship between the vector field and the gradient of the potential.

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Participants are engaging in a detailed exploration of the mathematical reasoning behind the relationship between irrotational fields and scalar potentials. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of line integrals and the independence of path, while others are questioning the necessary conditions for the existence of such a potential.

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There is mention of continuity of partial derivatives and the need for certain hypotheses to be satisfied for the conclusions drawn to hold true.

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Hi I know it's easy to prove that if a vectorfield is the gradien of a potential, [tex]\vec F = \nabla V[/tex], then [tex]\nabla \times F = 0.[/tex] But how about the converse relation? Can I prove that if [tex]\nabla \times F = 0,[/tex] then there exist a salar potential such that [tex]\vec F = \nabla V?[/tex]

I get as far as proving the existence of a potential function

[tex]V(\vec r) = \int_{\vec r_0}^{\vec r} \vec F \cdot d\vec r,[/tex]
but how do I now establish that

[tex]F = \nabla V?[/tex]

What is the gradient of a line integral?


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center o bass said:
Hi I know it's easy to prove that if a vectorfield is the gradien of a potential, [tex]\vec F = \nabla V[/tex], then [tex]\nabla \times F = 0.[/tex] But how about the converse relation? Can I prove that if [tex]\nabla \times F = 0,[/tex] then there exist a salar potential such that [tex]\vec F = \nabla V?[/tex]

I get as far as proving the existence of a potential function

[tex]V(\vec r) = \int_{\vec r_0}^{\vec r} \vec F \cdot d\vec r,[/tex]
but how do I now establish that

[tex]F = \nabla V?[/tex]

What is the gradient of a line integral?

To answer your last question first, that line integral evaluates to a scalar function of x,y, and z (it's the integral of a dot product). Now, if you have

[tex]V(\vec r) = \int_{\vec r_0}^{\vec r} \vec F \cdot d\vec r,[/tex]

you automatically have independence of path. Let me rewrite that equation:

[tex]V(x,y,z) = \int_{P_0(x_0,y_0,z_0)}^{P(x,y,z)}\langle S(x,y,z),T(x,y,z),U(x,y,z)\rangle \cdot\langle dx,dy,dz\rangle[/tex]

You want to show, for example, that Vx(x,y,z) = S(x,y,z)

Look at:
[tex]\frac {V(x+h,y,z)-V(x,y,z)}{h}=\frac 1 h\left(\int_{(x_0,y_0,z_0)}^{(x+h,y,z)}<br /> \vec F\cdot d\vec r - \int_{(x_0,y_0,z_0)}^{(x,y,z)}<br /> \vec F\cdot d\vec r\right)[/tex]

Now that first integral can be taken along any path. So let's use the path from
(x0,y0,z0) to (x,y,z) to (x+h,y,z) for the first integral. The first section of the path will cancel with the second integral leaving

[tex]\frac {V(x+h,y,z)-V(x,y,z)}{h}=\frac 1 h\left(\int_{(x,y,z)}^{(x+h,y,z)}<br /> S(x,y,z)\,dx\right)[/tex]

since dy and dz are 0 on this path segment. Now apply the mean value theorem for integrals on the x variable:

[tex]\frac 1 h\left(\int_{(x,y,z)}^{(x+h,y,z)}<br /> S(x,y,z)\,dx\right) = \frac{hS(c,y,z)}{h}[/tex]
for some c between x and x+h. Now if you let h→0 you get Vx=S(x,y,z).

You do the other two partials similarly.
 
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Thank you! That was a very clear explanation.

So one may then conclude that for a irrotational field

[tex]\vec F = \nabla \int_{\vec r_0}^{\vec r} \vec{F} \cdot d \vec r ?[/tex]
 
center o bass said:
Thank you! That was a very clear explanation.

So one may then conclude that for a irrotational field

[tex]\vec F = \nabla \int_{\vec r_0}^{\vec r} \vec{F} \cdot d \vec r ?[/tex]

Yes, as long as all relevant hypotheses are satisfied. I don't have a reference handy, but I think appropriate continuity of partials on an open connected set was mentioned if I remember correctly.
 

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