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The discussion revolves around the expansion of harmonic potential in a Taylor series, exploring the applicability and reasoning behind such an expansion. Participants examine the nature of harmonic potential and the conditions under which Taylor's theorem can be applied, particularly in the context of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is meaningful to expand harmonic potential in a Taylor series, suggesting that the potential is already represented by the second term in the expansion.
  • Another participant asserts that for a harmonic potential, all other terms in the series are zero by definition, indicating that the series does not add complexity.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the origin of the Taylor series itself, despite understanding Taylor's theorem.
  • There is a discussion about the utility of Taylor series in approximating differentiable functions, with a focus on how it can simplify complex potentials in physics.
  • A later reply clarifies that the question pertains to using Taylor's theorem for functions that are not explicitly defined, such as potential functions, raising concerns about the lack of a clear functional form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the usefulness of expanding harmonic potential in a Taylor series. While some argue it is unnecessary, others seek clarification on the application of Taylor's theorem to non-explicit functions, indicating ongoing uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of Taylor's theorem, particularly in relation to functions that are not explicitly defined. This highlights potential limitations in the discussion, such as assumptions about the nature of potential functions and their differentiability.

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Can we expand harmonic potential in a Taylor series. If so then piz tell me how?
 
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Yes, but it would be rather pointless since the expression for the potential is already identical to the second term in the taylor expansion.

The harmonic potential is as simple as it gets, I can't think of any reason why you would want to use a series expansion of any kind; at least not if you are trying to simplify the calculation.
 
But the third term in that series IS the harmonic potential...
For an harmonic potential all the other terms are -by definition- zero.

Maybe I've misunderstood your question?
 
You are somewhat right my friend. But my actual question is: From where the series itself come about?Although I understand Taylor's theorem well, but I am still not getting it?
 
Now, that is a complettely different question.
Although I am still not quite sure exactly what it is you do not understand.

Do you understand how one can use a Taylor series to approximate any differentiable function (such as an exponential) around some point? I.e do you understand the math?

Have you for example looked a the wiki for Taylor's theorem?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor's_theorem

The reason why the theorem is so useful in physics is that it allows us to expand a complicated potential (a common example would be a potential that contains trigonometric functions) around some point we are interested in.
For many potentials of interest you can get a good approximation by truncating the series after the third term, meaning all you end up with is the harmonic potential which is easy to deal with.
 
My friend I am a second year bachelor student; so I understand mathematics and hence Taylor's theorem very well. But my question is we use Taylor's expansion in case of function which are explicitly given e.g. sine, cosine, exponential, {1/(1-x^2)} etc. But how can we use Taylor's theorem in case of functions which are not explicitly given; that is the case when we talk about potential function, In this case neither the function itself nor the exact dependence on any sort of variable is given.
 

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