Expansion Joint Connection to storage tank

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The discussion centers on the placement of an expansion joint in a piping system connected to a crude oil tank. It is established that if the expansion joint is located after the valve, it must withstand the full design pressure of the piping system. Conversely, if positioned before the valve, it only needs to endure the static pressure from the fluid height in the tank, which is significantly lower. The conversation highlights the need for clarity regarding the design pressures and the structural support of the piping system, as well as the importance of visual aids like sketches for better understanding.

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Amir Sedieqy
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Hello,
In a piping system connected to the outlet of an crude oil tank, process man has located the expansion joint after the valve which is connected to tank's nozzle. Since this expansion joint is located after the valve, it must be able to withstand the design pressure of the piping system. However, if this expansion valve were located before the valve, and was connected to the tank's nozzle, it should have only withstand the pressure due to fluid height in the tank, which is one-twentieth of the piping design pressure. I was wondering whether it is practical to connect the expansion joint directly to the tank's nozzle. I appreciate it if could share your similar experience.
 
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Your description is unclear. Why is the design pressure of the piping system 20 times higher than the static pressure in the tank when the piping is connected to the outlet of the tank? Is there a pump in there somewhere? Where are the nearest anchor points in the piping system? How is the piping supported near the expansion joint? What is the tank's nozzle, or are you referring to the tank outlet connection?

We need a sketch of the existing system, and a second sketch showing your proposed system.
 

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