Expansion of polarized plane waves into spherical harmonics,

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The discussion centers around the expansion of polarized plane waves into spherical harmonics, with a focus on the mathematical formulation and potential applications in light scattering and electromagnetic theory. Participants seek guidance on the topic, share insights, and reference relevant literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help on expanding a polarized plane wave into spherical harmonics, mentioning familiarity with scalar plane wave expansions.
  • Another participant points out that the attached image does not represent a plane wave expansion but rather a spherical wave expansion, suggesting a substitution to adapt the scalar expansion.
  • A participant discusses the complexity of transitioning from scalar to vector fields, proposing a method to derive electric and magnetic fields from a scalar field.
  • Several participants mention the concept of multipole expansion as a relevant keyword for finding literature on the topic, with references to specific books on light scattering.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about finding a spherical wave representation of a plane wave, emphasizing the theoretical nature of plane waves.
  • Another participant elaborates on the utility of multipole expansions in solving problems with spherical geometry, noting the importance of defining a coordinate origin and wavevector direction.
  • There is a discussion about the fictitious nature of plane waves and spherical waves, with participants debating their usefulness in theoretical contexts.
  • A participant cites a specific reference from Jackson's book that includes a plane wave expansion and mentions vector expansions, indicating that such resources may provide the needed derivation.
  • There is a challenge regarding the physical interpretation of plane wave expansions and the conditions under which they are valid.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and representation of plane waves versus spherical waves, with some asserting that plane waves are theoretical constructs while others defend their practical utility. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical formulations and literature, but there are limitations in the clarity of definitions and assumptions regarding the nature of plane and spherical waves. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of the physical implications of the expansions.

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expansion of polarized plane waves into spherical harmonics, please help!

Hi all,

I would like to get some guidance in how to expand a polarized (i.e. linear polarization) plane wave into a series of spherical harmonics. I am aware of the formula applying to scalar plane waves (please see attached file). I would appreciate anyone's help.

Thanks

Regards

Tony
 

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The attached .png isn't the expansion of a plane wave (exp(-ikz)), it's the general expansion for a spherical wave (exp(ikr)). Even so, it's possible to make the scalar expansion work with the usual z = r cos (theta) substitution.

In any case, going over to vector functions is considerable more difficult. The trick I learned was to construct a scalar field \psi, from which E and B (vector) fields are related by:

E = -r x \nabla \psi and B = i/w \nabla x (r x \nabla \psi) for a TE mode and something similar for a TM mode (w is frequency). Becasue Poisson's equation still holds for \psi, it's possibleto recast everything in terms of the scalar field, solve that, and then take the derivatives to get E and B.

There is also vector versions of spherical harmonics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_spherical_harmonics

But I have never really used those.
 


Hi,

Thanks for your reply which I appreciate a lot. Unfortunately I cannot quite understand what you mean and I would like to see a complete solution of the problem (if it exists). Is there any book that you might be aware of, that describes the expansion of polarized plane waves into spherical harmonics?

Thanks and Regards

Tony
 


Tecne1982,The result is fairly well-known, I just don't have the time to LaTex out the derivation here. A good place to find where this type of result is written out in detail is a book on light scattering: Boren and Huffman is excellent, but there's a lot of others out there- the equations are all over the internets as well.

A good keyword to look for is "multipole exansion".
 


tecne1982 said:
I would like to see a complete solution of the problem (if it exists).

I think it's obvious Andy meant "multipole expansion", but you might also try "spherical nearfield theory" or "spherical modes".

That said, I doubt you'll find a spherical wave representation of a plane wave. Plane waves don't actually exist - they are the (unidirectional) limit as r approaches infinity of a spherical wave. This is not to say that plane waves are not a useful concept (far from it), but they have their limitations.

Regards,

Bill
 


Oops- yeah, sorry there.

Antenna Guy, doing a multipole expansion is very useful for solving problems with spherical and cylindrical geometry- scattering of a sphere is the basic example. In performing the expansion, a particular point is defined to be the coordinate origin, and a direction also defined (say, the wavevector). When that occurs, the boundary conditions at a material interface become very easy to express: the fields must be continuous at the surface r=R, for example. Any decent derivation of Mie scattering will present the expansion of a (scalar) plane wave into spherical components.

To be sure, plane waves are as ficticious as spherical waves- point sources don't exist either, and a plane wave is simply a spherical wave located at infinity.
 


Andy Resnick said:
The attached .png isn't the expansion of a plane wave (exp(-ikz)), it's the general expansion for a spherical wave (exp(ikr)).

If k and r are vectors, and the OP means their dot-product, then

<br /> e^{i k \cdot r}<br />

would be a plane wave traveling in the direction of k (not necessarily along z).
 


Andy Resnick said:
doing a multipole expansion is very useful for solving problems with spherical and cylindrical geometry- scattering of a sphere is the basic example.

I didn't say plane wave expansions were not useful - just that plane waves are not real.

In performing the expansion, a particular point is defined to be the coordinate origin

That point is typically referred to as "the phase center".

and a direction also defined (say, the wavevector).

Here you are speaking of plane waves - not spherical waves. "k" is a scalar as far as spherical waves are concerned (i.e. the phase term: e^{-jkr}).

When that occurs, the boundary conditions at a material interface become very easy to express: the fields must be continuous at the surface r=R, for example.

Since we are speaking of a sphere of radius R, and the currents on that sphere are continuous over the entire surface, one might assume that the fields about that sphere (at some r>R) are continuous as well. This continuity (at constant r) is what the spherical waves represent.

When one considers reciprocity, it becomes evident that it is impossible for the sphere to emit a plane wave in any direction. However, it is reciprocity that makes the plane wave expansion useful.

Any decent derivation of Mie scattering will present the expansion of a (scalar) plane wave into spherical components.

If you find one that expresses a plane wave as a spectrum of spherical waves, let me know. :rolleyes:

To be sure, plane waves are as ficticious as spherical waves

Spherical waves are no more ficticious than continuous currents on a sphere. When one considers a radiating object, the k-space is limited by the smallest sphere that completely contains the object. The diameter of that minimum sphere (in terms of wavelengths) defines the k-space. The same is true of either planar or spherical expansions.

Regards,

Bill
 


Antenna Guy said:
<snip>


If you find one that expresses a plane wave as a spectrum of spherical waves, let me know. :rolleyes:

<snip>

Bill,

Again, I don't have the time to LaTex out the whole derivation. Jackson, chapter 16, has one. Specifically, 16.128:

exp(ikz cos\theta) = \sum i^{l} (2l+1) j_{l}(kr) P_{l}(cos \theta).

Jackson does go further to work out some of the vector expansion (16.131 through 16.139).

Again, any decent light scattering book (Bohren and Huffman, Van DeHulst, etc) will have this spelled out in excruciating detail.

The rest of your postappears to be commentary on an appropriate modeling method. An aperture in a plane screen should be modeled differently that an fluorescent molecule. And still different from a linear, center-fed antenna (Jackson, 16.7).
 
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Andy Resnick said:
exp(ikz cos\theta) = \sum i^{l} (2l+1) j_{l}(kr) P_{l}(cos \theta).

That looks like a plane wave expansion to me.

Substitute in \theta=\frac{\pi}{2}, and let me know what you get. :smile:

Regards,

Bill
 
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Antenna Guy said:
<snip>

If you find one that expresses a plane wave as a spectrum of spherical waves, let me know. :rolleyes:
<snip>

Bill

Antenna Guy said:
That looks like a plane wave expansion to me.

Substitute in LaTeX Code: \\theta=\\frac{\\pi}{2} , and let me know what you get.


Bill

I don't understand what you are asking- I gave the plane wave expansion for a plane wave propagating in 'z' (as requested), and you then asked what the expansion looks like if the wavevector is normal to the propagating direction, an unphysical situation for traveling plane waves. Or any propagating mode, for that matter.

I wonder if you are asking what the expansion of exp(ikr), with k in the radial direction, looks like? That problem is the expansion of a spherical wave in terms of plane waves. I guess I just understand where you are going- you are appearing to claim that all of light scattering analysis is invalid.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
I don't understand what you are asking

Obviously. :smile:

What I was asking for might look something like this:

E(r,\theta,\phi)=k\sqrt{2\zeta}\sum_{m=-int(k r_0)}^{int(k r_0)}\sum_{n=|m|,_n&gt;0}^{int(k r_0)} ( a_{mn} m_{mn} (r,\theta,\phi) +b_{mn} n_{mn} (r,\theta,\phi) )

where a_{mn} and b_{mn} are coefficients of the expansion, and m_{mn} and n_{mn} are spherical vector expansion functions (which are more involved than I care to tex in).

I don't think it's possible to express a plane wave in this manner.

you are appearing to claim that all of light scattering analysis is invalid.

Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Regards,

Bill
 

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