Explanation of Sine Function Please

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the sine function, particularly its definition, the meaning of its input variable, and how to calculate sine values. Participants explore various aspects of the sine function, including its relationship to angles, the unit circle, and memorization of sine values.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about what the variable x represents in the sine function, questioning whether it refers to an angle or a position on the x-axis.
  • Another participant clarifies that x typically refers to radians and explains the relationship between sine values and critical points of the sine function.
  • There is a discussion about memorizing sine values, with one participant comparing it to memorizing pi, suggesting that sine values can be learned through repetition due to their periodic nature.
  • A participant explains the sine function as a ratio of the opposite side to the hypotenuse in a right triangle, emphasizing that the input is an angle in radians.
  • One participant describes their understanding of the sine function using a circle with a specific radius and expresses difficulty in determining the opposite side based on radians.
  • Another participant questions whether the original poster is seeking a method to calculate sine values or a general understanding of the function.
  • A later reply introduces the Taylor series expansion for sine, suggesting that a calculus course would be necessary for deriving exact values.
  • One participant mentions the unit circle, explaining that the sine function outputs the y-coordinate of a point on the unit circle corresponding to the angle in radians.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the sine function, with some agreeing on the definition and others struggling with specific calculations. There is no consensus on a single method for calculating sine values or a universally accepted explanation of the function.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on the unit circle and trigonometric definitions, while others seek practical methods for calculating sine values without advanced mathematical tools. The discussion reflects differing levels of familiarity with trigonometry and calculus.

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Lately I have been trying to plot sine waves, but I can't understand any explanation on the net. I always get y=sine(x), but I never receive any explanation regarding what x IS, be it angle or just the x-axis number. I found a way around this using the Pythagorean theorem, but that is annoying because I have to have a calculator to do it, and my goal is to be able to rattle off points with just brain power. Can someone help?
 
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x refers to the position on the x-axis. You may have seen y = sin (theta) with theta on the horizontal axis. In both cases you're usually talking about radians, so y = sin x crosses the horizontal axis at x = n*pi, n = ...-2, -1, 0, 1, 2...
 
The ability to rattle of values of the sine function would be very impressive. I know the critical points (crossings and local minima and maxima), but certainly not the whole thing.

Asking for a way to memorize sine values is not unlike asking for a way to memorize pi. You just gotta' sit down and start memorizing. Fortunately, sine repeats... pi doesn't.
 
Consider the sine function as a function! Remember, functions are a rule where, it assigns each input to exactly one output. The sine function’s input is an angle (for the sake of plotting we’ll say it’s an angle in radians) the output is the ratio between the opposite side and the hypotenuse of the given angel.

So with this understanding if f(x) = sin(x), the “x” would be your input angel in radians. sin(x) would spit out whatever that ratio is.
 
I don't think I am getting this. If I have a circle with a radius of 10mm then hypotenuse is 10mm and the peak of a sine wave is 10mm. So far we have the first half of the sine function: sine(X)=opp/10mm. Now I need opposite, but that is dictated by radians. This is where I am stuck. How do I find opposite(y value) based on the radians?

I am pretty sure I understand it now. Tell me if this is right(I did not use the actual function, I assumed opp and adj were both 1, which spit out 45* which was converted to radians:

sin(0.785398163) = 1/1 = 1 = 45*, and therefore point 0.785398163 amplitude will be 1.
 
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I'm confused as to what exactly you're asking.

Are you asking how to manually calculate the exact value of sin(x) for any given x? Or asking for a general understanding of what sin(x) is.

To derive the exact value of sin you need to take a calc course. But we can give you the formula, which is Sin(x) = Σ0 (-1)^n/(2n+1)!*x^(2n+1). If you want to get close you can take this sum to as many terms as desired instead of ∞.
 
chrisAndre,
When you study Trigonometry, you make use of the unit circle. The sine function takes as input the angle rotation in radians of a ray of length 1 with endpoint at the origin, and the output is the coordinate of the horizontal axis. If you are studying Trigonometry, you very soon learn this. If you are not yet studying Trigonometry, then just refer to the unit circle in a Geometry book or a Trigonometry book.
 

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