Explanation of superfluidity in He-4

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The discussion revolves around the concept of superfluidity in helium-4, particularly focusing on the role of quasi-momentum and its implications for mass transfer in the liquid at finite temperatures. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and the interpretation of momentum in the context of superfluid behavior.

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  • One participant questions the relationship between quasi-momentum and mass transfer, suggesting that quasi-momentum does not necessarily imply a corresponding mass transfer of He-4 atoms.
  • Another participant asserts that in this context, quasi-momentum and true momentum coincide, as the liquid does not break translation invariance.
  • A participant presents a simplified model involving a linear chain of oscillators, discussing the total momentum operator and its expansion in terms of normal modes, raising concerns about the conservation of phonon number and the implications for real momentum changes.
  • Another participant corrects a mathematical detail regarding the momentum operator expansion, emphasizing the importance of including the correct terms and the implications for momentum conservation in the system.
  • There is a discussion about the expectation of momentum in harmonic oscillator eigenstates, noting that coherent states can exhibit non-vanishing momentum under certain conditions.
  • One participant mentions the divergence of momentum in an infinite chain and suggests a normalization approach to calculate finite momentum density, linking it to symmetry breaking in the system.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between quasi-momentum and mass transfer, as well as the implications of momentum conservation in the context of superfluidity. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations and models presented.

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Participants highlight limitations in their arguments, including assumptions about the definitions of momentum and the dependence on specific mathematical formulations. There are unresolved questions regarding the role of crystal momentum and its coupling to the lattice.

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Hi. I was just reading the explanation of superfluidity in He-4 (from the beginning of QFT Methods in Statistical Physics by Abrikosov et. al.). There is something I don't understand. At finite temperatures there is a "gas of excitations", which they take to be moving at an average velocity v relative to the stationary liquid. They then derive that the quasi-momentum of this gas (per unit volume) is P = (const.) v. They claim this constant represents a mass and therefore there is mass transfer and that this part of the liquid is "normal". The rest of the mass is taken to be in the ground state superfluid. OK, my question: If we are talking about *quasi-*momentum, how can we be sure that there is really mass transfer? After all, a single quasi-particle has quasi-momentum, but this doesn't correspond to mass transfer as a drift of He-4 atoms.

I suppose this is related to diffraction experiments, where is deflection of photon has a conversation law written in terms of quasi-momentum.

Helpful thoughts?
 
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I would say that the quasi-momentum and the true momentum coincide in this case.
A liquid does not break translation invariance whence momentum is well defined.
 
There is still a consistency here that I can't follow. For simplicity, I imagine the case of a linear chain of oscillators. In this case the total momentum operator is P = sum(i = 1..N, P(i)) where P(i) is the momentum operator of the ith body in the chain. Expading P(i) in terms of normal modes gives = sum(n = 1..N, sum(all k, f(k) (a(k) exp(inb) - a(k)* exp(-inb)) where f(k) ~ 1/sqrt(energy) and b is the periodicity of the lattice. This doesn't look like the crystal momentum operator P = sum(all k, k a*(k) a(k)). Nevertheless, since b --> 0, if we excite a phonon of crystal momentum hk, then the external environment loses "real" momentum hk. Alternately, this means the linear chain gains a "real" momentum hk. But calculating <k|P|k> = 0 because none of the P(i) conserves phonon number. In going from |0> to |k> the real momentum of the chain didn't change?
 
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There is still a consistency here that I can't follow. For simplicity, I imagine the case of a linear chain of oscillators. In this case the total momentum operator is P = sum(i = 1..N, P(i)) where P(i) is the momentum operator of the ith body in the chain. Expading P(i) in terms of normal modes gives = sum(n = 1..N, sum(all k, f(k) (a(k) exp(inb) - a(k)* exp(-inb))
Stop! that's not correct. There should be a k in the exponents.
The sum over n then gives a delta function in k and only the k=0 components are left.
Either in a or in a^* the k should read -k.
. But calculating <k|P|k> = 0 because none of the P(i) conserves phonon number. In going from |0> to |k> the real momentum of the chain didn't change?
Of course in true harmonic oscillator eigenstates the expectation of momentum always vanishes.
However in the limit k=0 (and omega=0!), coherent states with unsharp number of quanta become alternative true eigenstates and have non-vanishing momentum. You may replace a(0) by its expectation value on these states. (You are not forced to do so. A state with fixed number of quanta would correspond to a macroscopic superposition of states with opposite momenta.)
Due to the f(k) factor it diverges (an infinite long moving chain will have an infinite momentum) and you should divide by sqrt(L) to calculate the finite momentum per length. Note the strong analogy to your previous thread. Here, we have an example how a finite momentum density breaks symmetry (Galilean symmetry).
I am not totally sure how the crystal momentum enters. I think we need to take coupling to the lattice into account to describe state with like momentum but unlike velocity.
 

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