Explanation of the 'chain fountain': some doubts

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The discussion centers on the mechanics of the "chain fountain," where a coiled chain forms an arc as it slips out of a container. Participants express skepticism about the conventional explanations, particularly regarding the role of reaction forces and inertial effects. It is suggested that the chain's rotational inertia and the dynamics of the links contribute to the upward motion after clearing the lip, with some arguing that the tension and momentum dynamics are crucial to understanding the phenomenon. The conversation also touches on the need for a deeper analysis of the forces involved, including gravitational effects and energy transformations. Overall, the chain fountain presents a complex interplay of physics that challenges initial assumptions about motion and tension.
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Brinx said:
In an alternative setup we again placed the chain bunched together on the table, but now in such a way that every single link touched the table surface (all of the chain was in a horizontal plane). When letting the chain fall over the edge of the table in this case, no vertical arc formed but all wavelike behaviour was confined to the horizontal plane.
There are some youtube videos showing the formation of a vertical arc in those conditions:

How can it be explained with Biggin's theory? Or am I missunderstanding something?
 
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Gruxg said:

How can it be explained with Biggin's theory? Or am I missunderstanding something?

Don't know about Biggin's theory, but it seems obvious that a fast chain cannot make sharp turns, because the internal tension providing the centripetal force will redistribute along the chain. It also cannot fall off in a smooth inverted parabola like independent beads would, because its horizontal speed at the edge is increasing, and thus higher than that of the previously dropped chain below. The fall path would have a sharp turn down, which is redistributed to a rounder curve around the edge in all directions, including lifting upwards.
 
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