Exploring Laplace's Equation: Separation of Variables Method in Electrodynamics

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The discussion revolves around Laplace's equation and the separation of variables method as applied in electrodynamics, particularly in the context of solving partial differential equations (PDEs). Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings, assumptions, and implications of the method, as well as its relation to electrostatics and boundary conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the significance of Laplace's equation in physics and questions the assumption that separation of variables can be applied, specifically asking why solutions are assumed to take the form f(x)g(y) rather than other forms like x^y.
  • Another participant emphasizes that functions chosen as solutions must satisfy the specific PDE and boundary conditions, which limits the types of functions that can be considered.
  • A different participant raises a question regarding the appearance of sinusoidal functions in the derivation of solutions, expressing confusion about their absence in practical electrostatics problems and whether the solution differs in three dimensions.
  • One participant explains that the separation of variables method provides a complete set of solutions, and while some solutions may not be directly obtainable through this method, they can be expressed as expansions in terms of the solutions derived from it, referencing Sturm–Liouville theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and questions regarding the assumptions and implications of the separation of variables method. Participants express uncertainty about the applicability of the method and the nature of the solutions in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions made in applying the separation of variables method and the specific boundary conditions that must be satisfied, which may not be universally applicable across different problems.

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I am studying Laplace's equation in my electrodynamics course (using griffiths intro to electrodynamics). I am watching a youtube video stepping through the separation of variables method for solving the PDE. It seems to be a common PDE that comes up repeatedly in physics (Helmholtz eqn, Poisson eqn) and I thought it would be worthwhile to understand where the solution comes from.

In the text Griffiths also touches on two additional points:
- "A solution to Laplace's equation has the property that the average value over a spherical surface is equal to the value at the center of the sphere"
- A uniqueness theorem

A first question that came to my mind: why do we assume that separation of variables works? How can we assume that the solution is of the form f(x)g(y)? What if it had an expression like x^y?
 
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The functions chosen as solutions using separation of variables must be shown to be solutions of the particular PDE and to satisfy whatever boundary conditions apply. These requirements eliminate many elementary functions from consideration, because they cannot satisfy one or both of these requirements.
 
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Okay, a second question: I watched Chris Tisdell's (youtube) derivation of the solution in two dimensions, and it involves a summation of a sine function (a Fourier series of sorts). In electrostatics, the solution of the equation generates a potential function V, which we get by taking a path integral \int \vec{E}\cdot\vec{dl}. I've done many such problems and never see any sinusoidal functions in there...why is that? Does the solution look different in 3D or am I misunderstanding the relation between the derivation of the solution and its application to electrostatics?
 
What you have to understand is that the separation method gives you a complete set of solutions (there are theorems that prove that for a fairly large group of PDE problems called Sturm–Liouville equations.) What that means is that even though there are solutions that cannot be obtained by the separation of variables method, these solutions can be written as an expansion in terms of the solutions obtained by the separation of variables method. This expansion is a generalization of the Fourier expansion. So, even though the final solution may not be sinusoidal at all, it can still be expanded in terms of sine functions because the set of sine functions form a complete set according with Sturm–Liouville theory.
 
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