Explosion-Generated Collapsing Vacuum Bubbles Reach 20K Kelvin - Comments

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of explosion-generated collapsing vacuum bubbles reaching temperatures of 20,000 Kelvin. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon, its relation to sonoluminescence, and the conditions under which these bubbles form and collapse.

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  • Some participants inquire about the composition of the bubble, specifically whether it contains a stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen.
  • There are mentions of sonoluminescence in relation to mantis shrimp and pistol shrimp, with some participants noting the extreme temperatures generated during these events.
  • One participant discusses the pressure and temperature dynamics of the bubble, referencing the ideal gas law and questioning the accuracy of the stated minimum pressure and maximum temperature.
  • Concerns are raised about the damaging effects of cavitation, contrasting it with the phenomenon of a flash where a residual gas bubble may mitigate shock waves.
  • Questions are posed regarding the relationship between sonoluminescence and the sound shock wave generated during the bubble's collapse, specifically whether they occur simultaneously or sequentially.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the specifics of the bubble's composition and the dynamics of cavitation versus flash phenomena. There is no clear consensus on the relationship between sonoluminescence and shock waves, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific pressures and temperatures, but the discussion includes uncertainties about the accuracy of these values and their implications. There are also unresolved questions regarding the mechanisms of cavitation and sonoluminescence.

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Explosion-Generated Collapsing Vacuum Bubbles Reach 20,000 Kelvin

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Really interesting stuff! Love the animations!

"Mantis shrimp also produce sonoluminosity in cavitations " Google+
 
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klotza said:
Yes they are. It leaves water vapour and some other stuff, and the water adsorbs into the fluid, just leaving very small amounts of other stuff.
Is there a non-paywalled version of this article?

I believe they stated that the minimum pressure of the bubble is 1 Pa with a temperature of 4,000 K at its maximum expansion. Is that correct.

The bubble then contracts, and at least initially should compress via the ideal gas law to a peak pressure and temperature? I think the graph shows that Rmin is about 0.2 of Rmax before rebounding slightly.

I thought in cavitation that the damaging effect comes from the bubble completely disappearing. As opposed to a flash, where the residual gas bubble mitigates the shock wave that is generated. We had a high pressure control valve where we used a small amount of N2 to keep prevent the complete collapse of the vapor phase. That worked well until the day we lost the nitrogen flow. Once the valve started cavitating, the valve was destroyed within the hour.

Did they relate the sonoluminecense to the sound shock wave that gets generated by the shock wave? Such as the shock wave comes first followed by the sonoluminecense? Or they initiate together?

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