Expressing an Integral as a sum of terms

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The discussion revolves around expressing an integral as a sum of terms, specifically examining the relationship between a sum of function values at discrete points and the corresponding definite integral over a continuous interval. The subject area includes calculus and the concept of Riemann sums.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore whether a sum of function values can be equated to an integral, questioning the need for a factor of \(\delta x\) in the sum to represent area. Some participants suggest rewriting the expression to clarify the relationship between the sum and the integral.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between Riemann sums and definite integrals. Some participants have pointed out that the original formulation may not be correct, emphasizing that the left side represents an approximation rather than an exact equality with the integral on the right side.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with the formulation when considering the limits of integration and the nature of the function being summed. There is also mention of continuity and the conditions under which the integral is defined.

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Homework Statement
Suppose a given function f(x) and continuous x limit is given from say a to b.
Now if it is asked to say that sum over the values of f(x) over x between a and b.
Relevant Equations
e.g
Can we write it as
$$f(a)+f(a+dx)+f(2a+dx)+f(3a+dx)+.......f(b)=\int^b_a f(x)dx$$
e.g
Can we write it as
$$f(a)+f(a+dx)+f(2a+dx)+f(3a+dx)+...f(b)=\int^b_a f(x)dx$$...(?)
Although $$\int f(x)dx$$ given the area tracked by thr function with the x-axis between a and b
Thanks.
 
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Apashanka said:
Homework Statement:: Suppose a given function f(x) and continuous x limit is given from say a to b.
Now if it is asked to say that sum over the values of f(x) over x between a and b.
Homework Equations:: e.g
Can we write it as
$$f(a)+f(a+dx)+f(2a+dx)+f(3a+dx)+...f(b)=\int^b_a f(x)dx$$

e.g
Can we write it as
$$f(a)+f(a+dx)+f(2a+dx)+f(3a+dx)+...f(b)=\int^b_a f(x)dx$$...(?)
Although $$\int f(x)dx$$ given the area tracked by thr function with the x-axis between a and b
Thanks.

I might be missing something here, but don't we need to multiply each of the f(x_i) by a \delta x to get an area? Otherwise, I thought that the area under a certain f(x) value for a continuous function is 0.

As to the rewritten version, what if b < 2a. To me it would seem more intuitive to write out something like:
Integral = f(a)\delta x + f(a + \Delta x)\delta x + f(a + 2\Delta x)\delta x + f(a + 3\Delta x)\delta x + ... + f(b)\delta x
 
Apashanka said:
Can we write it as
$$f(a)+f(a+dx)+f(2a+dx)+f(3a+dx)+...f(b)=\int^b_a f(x)dx$$
No.
As already mentioned by another poster, your coefficients are in the wrong places. The sum above is often written as
##f(a)+f(a + \Delta x)+f(a + 2\Delta )+f(a + 3\Delta ) + \dots + f(a + n \Delta x)##
where ##\Delta x = \frac {b - a} n##
This sum is called a Riemann sum, which is used to approximate a definite integral. For suitable functions (i.e., functions that are continuous on the interval [a, b]), the integral ##\int_a^b f(x) dx## is defined to be equal to the limit of the Riemann sum, as n goes to infinity.
 
Apashanka said:
$$f(a)+f(a+dx)+f(2a+dx)+f(3a+dx)+...f(b)=\int^b_a f(x)dx$$...(?)

The two sides will not be equal. As the user above said, the left side is a Riemann Sum and only used as approximation.
 
currently said:
As the user above said, the left side is a Riemann Sum
... that has no relationship with the integral on the right side.
 

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