Expressing n in Terms of x: Solving for n in the Equation x=n*cos(90-360/n)

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The problem involves expressing n in terms of x from the equation x=n*cos(90-360/n). The context is within the realm of trigonometric functions and their properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the function and whether multiple n values correspond to a single x value. Some express uncertainty about the ability to write n as a function of x in closed form.

Discussion Status

The discussion reflects differing opinions on the relationship between n and x, with some participants suggesting that the equation may not yield a closed-form solution for n. There is an exploration of the properties of the sinc function and its relevance to the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants question whether the problem statement is complete and discuss the implications of using radians versus degrees in the equation.

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Homework Statement


Given x=n*cos(90-360/n), express n in terms of x

Homework Equations


<no relevant equation since it's pure maths>

The Attempt at a Solution


All I can say is that the result is one of those functions, whose proper name I do not remember, with multiple n values corresponding to one x value. Not sure how to elegantly report that and this is mainly why I asked.
 
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24forChromium said:

Homework Statement


Given x=n*cos(90-360/n), express n in terms of x

Homework Equations


<no relevant equation since it's pure maths>

The Attempt at a Solution


All I can say is that the result is one of those functions, whose proper name I do not remember, with multiple n values corresponding to one x value. Not sure how to elegantly report that and this is mainly why I asked.
I don't see that there will be multiple n values for a given x. Looking at n=1, 2, 3... x increases monotonically (and converges to a limit). On the other hand i would think it impossible to write n as a function of x in closed form.
 
haruspex said:
I don't see that there will be multiple n values for a given x. Looking at n=1, 2, 3... x increases monotonically (and converges to a limit). On the other hand i would think it impossible to write n as a function of x in closed form.
Can you answer the question?
 
24forChromium said:
Can you answer the question?
No, as I said, I see no way to get n as a function of x in closed form. Is this the complete statement of the problem?
 
24forChromium said:

Homework Statement


Given x=n*cos(90-360/n), express n in terms of x

Homework Equations


<no relevant equation since it's pure maths>

The Attempt at a Solution


All I can say is that the result is one of those functions, whose proper name I do not remember, with multiple n values corresponding to one x value. Not sure how to elegantly report that and this is mainly why I asked.

I don't think the "result" involves one of those functions whose name you forget; it is true that the equation itself (NOT the solution) does involve the so-called "sinc" function. Using radians instead of degrees to represent angles, your equation is
x = n \,\cos \left(\frac{\pi}{2} - \frac{2 \pi}{n} \right).
Using ##\cos(\pi/2 - \theta) = \sin(\theta)##, this becomes
y = \frac{\sin(v)}{v},
where
y = \frac{x}{2 \pi}, \: \text{and} \; v = \frac{2 \pi}{n}

The function ##\sin(\theta)/ \theta## occurs frequently in applications, so has been given a name: ##\text{sinc}(\theta) = \sin( \theta)/\theta##. So, with ##y## and ##v## as defined above, your equation is ##\text{sinc}(v) = y##. You can see plots of the sinc funcion in http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SincFunction.html or
http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/teach_res/mp/doc/math_sinc_function.pdf .

However, you should realize that there are no known formulas for the solution of that equation, so you cannot hope to express n in terms of x as any kind of known function. All you can do is solve it numerically for various values of x and maybe plot or tabulate the numerical results.
 

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