Expressing q in Terms of a_1,b_1,a_2,b_2

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The problem involves a geometric configuration with a tangent line to a function at a point, vertical and perpendicular lines, and the expression of a variable q in terms of coefficients of these lines. The context is rooted in Euclidean geometry and involves understanding the relationships between the points and lines defined by the function f(x).

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  • Participants discuss finding coefficients a_1, b_1, a_2, and b_2 in terms of the coordinates a, b, f(a), and f(b). There is mention of expressing q using the slope of the tangent and the relationship between the tangent and perpendicular lines. Some participants question the necessity of certain parameters in the expression for q.

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There are multiple interpretations of the problem, with participants exploring different relationships and equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equation relating a_1, b_1, a_2, and b_2, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps or the completeness of the problem.

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Participants note the potential for unnecessary information in the problem statement, which may complicate the understanding of how to express q. There is also a suggestion that the expression for q may not require specific values for the coefficients involved.

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Homework Statement


A tangent line at point A with coordinate (a,f(a)) of function f(x) intersects f(x) at point B coordinate (b,f(b)) . A vertical line is drawn from point p (a<p<b) and intersects f(x) at C. From C a perpendicular line to the tangent line is drawn which intersect the tangent line at point D with coordinate (q,f(q))

The tangent line can be described by y_1(x) =a_1 x+ b_1

|CD| can be described by y_2(x) =a_2 x+ b_2

Express q in terms of a_1,b_1,a_2,b_2

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The Attempt at a Solution


I can find a_1,b_1,a_2,b_2 in terms of a, b, f(a) and f(b).

I can express q in terms of the slope of the tangent:

q = p + H \sin(\alpha) \cos(\alpha)

with
\alpha = arctan\left( \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a} \right)

H = f(p) -y_1(p)
and now what?
 
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dirk_mec1 said:

Homework Statement


A tangent line at point A with coordinate (a,f(a)) of function f(x) intersects f(x) at point B coordinate (b,f(b)) . A vertical line is drawn from point p (a<p<b) and intersects f(x) at C. From C a perpendicular line to the tangent line is drawn which intersect the tangent line at point D with coordinate (q,f(q))

The tangent line can be described by y_1(x) =a_1 x+ b_1

|CD| can be described by y_2(x) =a_2 x+ b_2

Express q in terms of a_1,b_1,a_2,b_2

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/5cqg.jpg/


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I can find a_1,b_1,a_2,b_2 in terms of a, b, f(a) and f(b).

I can express q in terms of the slope of the tangent:

q = p + H \sin(\alpha) \cos(\alpha)

with
\alpha = arctan\left( \frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a} \right)

H = f(p) -y_1(p)
and now what?
This is a fun Euclidean geometry problem. :biggrin:

##a_1q+b_1=a_2q+b_2##. Solve for ##q##.
 
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I wonder if there is a mistake in this question. Expressing q in terms of ##a_1##, ##a_2##, ##a_3## and ##a_4## means we don't need to know what those numbers are.
 
Mandelbroth said:
This is a fun Euclidean geometry problem. :biggrin:

##a_1q+b_1=a_2q+b_2##. Solve for ##q##.

I can seriously hit myself against the wall. Thanks man.
 
dirk_mec1 said:
I can seriously hit myself against the wall. Thanks man.
No problem. They threw a lot of unnecessary information out there. It took me a minute too. :-p
 

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