Extreme values (Lagrange multipliers)

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum and minimum values of the scalar field f(x, y) = xy, subject to the constraint defined by the equation 4x² + 9y² = 36. The problem involves the application of Lagrange multipliers.

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  • Participants discuss the use of Lagrange multipliers and the equations derived from the method. There are questions regarding the correctness of the constraint function and the identification of extreme points. Some participants express doubts about the setup and the interpretation of the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the equations and potential solutions. Some have pointed out possible errors in the original poster's setup, while others are exploring the implications of the derived equations. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approach or the identification of extreme points.

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Participants note discrepancies in the formulation of the constraint function and the implications of the equations derived from Lagrange multipliers. The original poster has expressed uncertainty about the extreme points, indicating a need for further clarification.

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determine, if any, the maximum and minimum values of the scalar field f (x, y) = xy subject to the constraint [tex]4x^2{}[/tex]+[tex]9y^2{}[/tex]=36


The attempt at a solution

using Lagrange multipliers, we solve the equations [tex]\nabla[/tex]f=[tex]\lambda[/tex][tex]\nabla[/tex]g ,which can be written as

[tex]f_{x}[/tex]=[tex]\lambda[/tex][tex]g_{x}[/tex]

[tex]f_{y}[/tex]=[tex]\lambda[/tex][tex]g_{y}[/tex]

g(x,y)=36

or as

y=[tex]\lambda[/tex]8x

x=[tex]\lambda[/tex]18y

[tex]4x^2{}[/tex]+[tex]9y^2{}[/tex]=36

it's pretty much all done but can somebody solve this? cause i have some doubts about which are the extreme points
 
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I would say your [tex]g(x,y) = 36[/tex] is a little suspicious. If this were the case then the two statements above would be false since [tex]g_x[/tex] and [tex]g_y[/tex] are 0.
 
no, in fact g(x,y)=[tex]4x^2{}[/tex]+[tex]9y^2{}[/tex]=36 but well, I wrote it that way because is the way my book does
 
We already know that (0,0) is a turning point which has a value f (0,0) = 0.

Leaving that aside for now, solving the set of equations that you listed:
[tex]y = 8\lambda x[/tex]
[tex]x = 18\lambda y[/tex]
[tex]4x^2 + 9y^2 = 36[/tex]
would yield one or more points.

Then find the value of f(x,y) at each of these points and compare.
 
Firstly, careless mistake: y is [tex]+/- \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{\frac{18}{5}}[/tex] as you've written on the third line, but in carrying it over into f(x,y), you mixed up the denominator and numerator.

Secondly, [tex]\lambda = +/- \frac{1}{12}[/tex], so there exist two other solutions:
[tex](x,y) = (\sqrt{\frac{18}{5}}, - \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{\frac{18}{5}})[/tex]
[tex](x,y) = (- \sqrt{\frac{18}{5}}, \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{\frac{18}{5}})[/tex]
 

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