Analyzing f(x) = 2x + cotx: Concavity and Extrema

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the function f(x) = 2x + cotx over the interval [0, π], focusing on determining increases, decreases, and concavity through the use of first and second derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss finding critical points by setting the first and second derivatives equal to zero, with some expressing confusion about isolating trigonometric functions. There are attempts to solve for angles and inflection points, with varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of the derivatives.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and questioning their reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding algebraic manipulation and differentiation, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the interval [0, π] and the implications of the derivatives, including the need to consider values that may make the denominator zero.

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Homework Statement



Analyze the function f(x) = 2x + cotx over the interval [0,pi] and state the increases/decreases and concavity.

Homework Equations



I already found the first and second derivatives. However, I'm having trouble when setting them equal to zero.

2 - csc2x = 0

and

2(cscx)^2(cotx)^2 = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



2 - cscx^2 = 0

cscx^2 = 2

maybe 1/sinx^2 = 2

maybe (1/sinx)^2 = 2

and then I'm stuck...
 
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Pause with 1/(sin(x)^2)=2. Use algebra to rearrange that to sin(x)^2=1/2. Do you know how to do that? I'm not sure why you are getting stuck. You are doing fine so far.
 
Thanks for the help. Yea i was doubting whether I should isolate sinx or just x. I was able to arrange the equation and solve for the angles to get x = pi/4, 3pi/4 since the interval is [0,pi].

However, I'm getting stuck when trying to find the inflection points. The second derivative is 2cosx/sin(x)^3. I know cosx/sinx is cotx. But the power of 3 in the denominator is throwing me off. Also, I know is easier to find the angles of sinx and cosx than cotx, but is it necessary for the equation to be isolated into one trig term, such as cotx = (stuff), or can this be arranged to where sinx and/or cosx = (stuff)?

Ultimately, I am stuck at f"(x) = 2cosx/sin(x)^3 = 0 with little to no idea of what to do.
 
LearninDaMath said:
Thanks for the help. Yea i was doubting whether I should isolate sinx or just x. I was able to arrange the equation and solve for the angles to get x = pi/4, 3pi/4 since the interval is [0,pi].

However, I'm getting stuck when trying to find the inflection points. The second derivative is 2cosx/sin(x)^3. I know cosx/sinx is cotx. But the power of 3 in the denominator is throwing me off. Also, I know is easier to find the angles of sinx and cosx than cotx, but is it necessary for the equation to be isolated into one trig term, such as cotx = (stuff), or can this be arranged to where sinx and/or cosx = (stuff)?

Ultimately, I am stuck at f"(x) = 2cosx/sin(x)^3 = 0 with little to no idea of what to do.

\frac{2\cos x}{\sin^3 x}

You are trying to differentiate this right?

There are a couple ways you can do this. Start off with the constant rule.

2 (\frac{\cos x}{\sin x^3}

Hint: \frac{a}{b^2} = \frac{a}{b}\frac{1}{b} or \frac{1}{x} = x^{-1}

There is also a simple differentiation rule that is very helpful in calculus I. Rings a bell?
 
Nano-Passion said:
\frac{2\cos x}{\sin^3 x}

You are trying to differentiate this right?

No sorry, that is already the second derivative of the original function I posted.

I am trying to solve f"(x) = 0 for f"(x) = 2cosx/sin(x)^3 = 0
 
Take the denominator and set it equal to 0. The values of x you find will be values that CANNOT be in the solution set.

Then take the numerator and set it equal to 0. Remove from this solution set any values of x that also make the denominator equal to 0, if there are any.
 
So 2cosx = 0, so x should be 2(∏/2) and 2(3∏/2).

so x = ∏ and 3∏

Since the interval given in the problem is [0,∏],

the only allowable x value is x = ∏

-------------------------------------

Now setting (sinx)^3 = 0

I would guess sinx = 0, x = 1 and -1 and since its to the 3rd power,

the x values are x = (1^3 and -1^3) or maybe (\sqrt[3]{1} and\sqrt[3]{-1})

Are either of these correct?

So since none of the denominator roots = the numerator roots, then it stands that the only x value to make 2cosx/(sinx)^3 = 0 within interval [0,∏] is:

x = ∏

And if this is the correct answer, is the way I arrived at that answer correct?

And if its not correct, how do I solve and think about this problem?
 
Wait a minute...

2 should not be included in setting cosx = 0

because 2 can be made a separate term and set equal to zero, such as 2≠0

So I just have to set cosx = 0, which is x = ∏/2 and 3∏/2

And since they still don't match the denominator's roots,

x = ∏/2 is my revised guess.

If this is correct, is my method/reasoning correct?

If not, why and how do I get the correct answer?
 
LearninDaMath said:
Now setting (sinx)^3 = 0

I would guess sinx = 0, x = 1 and -1 and since its to the 3rd power,
No, that's not right. sin 1 ≠ 0. Also, does (-1)3 = 1?
 
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of course, so if sinx = 0 , x = 0 and x = ∏

would that mean that sinx^3 = 0, x = \sqrt[3]{0} and \sqrt[3]{∏}

which means those two values are undefined

and that the values of the numerator can't equal 0 or ∏,

And since the values of the numerator equal 2/∏ and 3∏/2,

The only x value that exists within the given interval [0,∏] is x = ∏/2

Is this correct?
 
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LearninDaMath said:
of course, so if sinx = 0 , x = 0 and x = ∏

would that mean that sinx^3 = 0, x = \sqrt[3]{0} and \sqrt[3]{∏}
No, that's not right either. You're getting confused with regards to the cube root. From
\sin^3 x = 0
take the cube root of both sides first.
\sqrt[3]{\sin^3 x} = \sqrt[3]{0}
\sin x = 0
Then find x, which you did (0 and π).
The rest looks okay to me.
 
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Yea, I was confused between getting the values x = (0, ∏) and x = (^3√0, ^3√ ∏)

This was my guess that lead me to the incorrect answer

sin^{3}x = 0

arcsin^{3}0 = ∏

^{3}√arcsin^{3}0 = ^{3}√∏

arcsin0 = ^{3}√∏

sin(^{3}√∏) = 0

...and the same process for the other x value of 0.

But now I realize that sin^{3}√∏ can't equal 0

Because it is sin∏ that equals 0!

So now I believe I understand why its correct to take the cube root of both sides first as you said.
 
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