f(x) = 2x+1, proving that it is continuous when p = 1 with 𝛿 and ε

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The discussion revolves around the continuity of the function f(x) = 2x + 1 at the point p = 1, using delta and epsilon notation. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the assumptions made in their textbook about the relationship between delta and epsilon in this context.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the epsilon-delta definition of continuity and questions the validity of the assumptions made in their textbook regarding the inequalities involving delta and epsilon. Some participants suggest a standard approach to epsilon-delta proofs and clarify the relationship between the variables involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion, providing insights into the structure of epsilon-delta proofs. Some have offered guidance on how to approach the proof, while others have pointed out potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions and roles of epsilon and delta.

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There is some ambiguity regarding the definition of p and its relevance to the problem, which has led to questions about the clarity of the problem statement. Additionally, the original poster's understanding of the relationships between the variables is under scrutiny.

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TL;DR Summary: Continuity of a function, Calculus newbie, delta, epsilon,

Greetings! I have just started studying Calculus for my engineering course, and I am already facing some problems to understand the fundamental ideas regarding the continuity of a function. I'd be very much grateful if you guys spared a minute or two to help me with this question:

f(x) = 2x+1, p = 1, prove with delta and epsilon notation that it is continuous for p

How I'd start it

1 - 𝛿 < x < 1 + 𝛿 => 3 - ε < f(x) < 3+ ε
No problems so far. I'd change f(x) for its function and then I'd have a inequality for x on both sides

1 - 𝛿 < x < 1 + 𝛿 => 1 - ε/2 < x < 1 + ε/2

From this point I'm starting to have some problems. The author of the book assumes that 1 - 𝛿 = 1 - ε/2 and 1 + 𝛿 = 1 + ε/2, but I cannot fathom why it is true. For instance, I could say that x = 3, then
0 < 3 < 6 and 2 < 3 < 9

My point with it is: x shouldn't necessarily be limited by the same two things, which is why 1 - 𝛿 = 1 - ε/2 and 1 + 𝛿 = 1 + ε/2 isn't necessarily true. Yet, the book states it, so I must be missing something here. Can you help me with it?

I appreciate anyone who has read so far; thank you so much!
 
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I can't really follow what you are trying to do.

In general, an epsilon-delta proof is of the form:

Let ##\epsilon > 0##. Choose ##\delta =## some function of ##\epsilon## (making sure that ##\delta > 0##). Then show that:
$$|x - p| < \delta \implies |f(x) - f(p)| < \epsilon$$In this case,given that ##f## is a linear function, it should be clear that it's sufficient to choose ##\delta = \dfrac \epsilon 2##.

I would redo your proof using this standard approach.
 
PS I don't want to give you too much help, but note that:
$$|f(x)- f(p)| = |(2x +1) - (2p +1)| = |2x - 2p| = 2|x - p|$$This is the way you should think about it.
 
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A "word-smithing" note on your statement of the problem:
It wasn't until I saw @PeroK 's answer that I realized what p had to do with the problem. A more clear statement of the problem would be:
Show that f(x)=2x+1 is continuous at the point x=1.
 
My first question was "what is p?"

In fact what you are trying to do is show that f(x) = 2x + 1 is continuous at x = 1.
 
pasmith said:
My first question was "what is p?"

In fact what you are trying to do is show that f(x) = 2x + 1 is continuous at x = 1.
And it is a very poor example where almost nothing can be learned from. It invites to confuse the roles of ##\varepsilon ## and ##\delta ,## and the dependence of the location ##x=1## doesn't occur.

@thethagent, if you want to learn something, then prove that ##f(x)=\begin{cases}\dfrac{1}{x}&\text{ for }x\neq 0\\0 &\text{ for }x=0\end{cases} \quad ## is continuous at ##x=0.2## and discontinuous at ##x=0.##
 
thethagent said:
From this point I'm starting to have some problems. The author of the book assumes that 1 - 𝛿 = 1 - ε/2 and 1 + 𝛿 = 1 + ε/2, but I cannot fathom why it is true.
The technique of the proof is: given an arbitrarily small ##\epsilon \gt 0##, define ##\delta \gt 0## such that ##|x-1|\lt\delta## forces ##|f(x)=f(1)|\lt\epsilon##.
Suppose we have an arbitrarily small ##\epsilon\gt 0##. Can we define a ##\delta## that will work? The author is proposing that if ##\delta## is defined so that ##1-\delta=1-\epsilon/2## it will work. He is correct. From that definition, ##\delta=\epsilon/2##. Suppose that ##|x-1|\lt\delta=\epsilon/2##. Can you continue the proof from there?
 
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