Factoring x^{16}-x in F_8[x] and Proving Equivalency in F_2[x]

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The discussion revolves around factoring the polynomial x^{16}-x in the field F_8[x] and exploring its equivalency with the factorization in F_2[x]. Participants are examining the properties of irreducible polynomials in finite fields and the implications of field extensions on factorization.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the known factorization in F_2[x] and question how this relates to F_8[x]. There are inquiries about the transferability of certain approaches between the two fields, particularly concerning linear and quadratic factors.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the irreducibility of certain polynomials and the conditions under which they can be factored. There is an ongoing exploration of how to demonstrate that specific polynomials do not factor further in F_8[x], with hints being offered to guide the investigation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the theorem regarding irreducible polynomials of x^q-x over F_p[x] and discuss the implications of field extensions, particularly the relationship between F_2, F_8, and F_{16} in terms of polynomial factorization.

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Homework Statement



Factor [tex]x^{16}-x[/tex] in [tex]F_8[x][/tex]

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I know how to do it in [tex]F_2[x][/tex]. I also feel the factorizations are the same in the two fields..but not sure how to prove it.
 
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How would you approach this question in [tex]\mathbb{F}_2[X][/tex]?? Also think about which parts of this approach do and do not carry over to [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[X][/tex]??
 
micromass said:
How would you approach this question in [tex]\mathbb{F}_2[X][/tex]?? Also think about which parts of this approach do and do not carry over to [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[X][/tex]??

[tex]q=p^r[/tex]There is a theorem saying that the irreducible polynomials of [tex]x^q-x[/tex] over [tex]F_p[x][/tex] where [tex]p[/tex] is a prime are the irreducible polynomials in [tex]F_p[x][/tex] whose degrees divide [tex]r[/tex]. So in [tex]F_2[x][/tex] the poly is [tex]x(x-1)(x^2+x+1)(x^4+x^3+x^3+x+1)(x^4+x+1)(x^4+x^3+1)[/tex]. I can show that in [tex]F_8[x][/tex] the poly has no more linear factors than in [tex]F_2[/tex] but not sure how to deal with quadratics.
 
R.P.F. said:
[tex]q=p^r[/tex]There is a theorem saying that the irreducible polynomials of [tex]x^q-x[/tex] over [tex]F_p[x][/tex] where [tex]p[/tex] is a prime are the irreducible polynomials in [tex]F_p[x][/tex] whose degrees divide [tex]r[/tex]. So in [tex]F_2[x][/tex] the poly is [tex]x(x-1)(x^2+x+1)(x^4+x^3+x^3+x+1)(x^4+x+1)(x^4+x^3+1)[/tex]. I can show that in [tex]F_8[x][/tex] the poly has no more linear factors than in [tex]F_2[/tex] but not sure how to deal with quadratics.

OK, that's already good. Can you show now that the expression [tex]x(x-1)(x^2+x+1)(x^4+x^3+x^3+x+1)(x^4+x+1)(x^4+x^3+1)[/tex] is also the factorization in [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[X][/tex]. To do this, you have to show that no other polynomial in the expression factorizes. Let me give you an example how to do this:

Consider [tex]x^2+x+1[/tex], if it factorizes in [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[X][/tex], then it factorizes in linear factors. So, if it factorizes, then the polynomial [tex]x^2+x+1[/tex] must have a root in [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[/tex]. This is not possible, because no element in [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[/tex] has degree 2.
Try to do something for the other polynomials...
 
micromass said:
OK, that's already good. Can you show now that the expression [tex]x(x-1)(x^2+x+1)(x^4+x^3+x^3+x+1)(x^4+x+1)(x^4+x^3+1)[/tex] is also the factorization in [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[X][/tex]. To do this, you have to show that no other polynomial in the expression factorizes. Let me give you an example how to do this:

Consider [tex]x^2+x+1[/tex], if it factorizes in [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[X][/tex], then it factorizes in linear factors. So, if it factorizes, then the polynomial [tex]x^2+x+1[/tex] must have a root in [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[/tex]. This is not possible, because no element in [tex]\mathbb{F}_8[/tex] has degree 2.
Try to do something for the other polynomials...

Yeah I know how to show that there are no more linear factors but quadratics are giving me trouble. I do not see how to see the degree-4 factors cannot be factored into two quadratics..hints please?
 
I do not see how to see the degree-4 factors cannot be factored into two quadratics

Note that the polynomial factors completely into linears over [itex]\mathbb{F}_{16}[/itex]. Notice that [itex]\mathbb{F}_8[/itex] is a degree 3 extension of [itex]\mathbb{F}_2[/itex], and [itex]\mathbb{F}_{16}[/itex] is a degree 4, and [itex]\gcd(3,4)=1[/itex]. That should get you started.
 

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