Factors affecting speed of travelling waves along a cable

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The discussion centers on the factors affecting the speed of propagation of traveling waves along a cable, particularly in the context of biological samples. Participants explore the influence of various properties such as tension, elasticity, stiffness, density, and viscosity on wave speed, while seeking relevant formulas and insights.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relationship between wave speed and properties of the cable, suggesting that factors like tension, elasticity, stiffness, density, and viscosity may influence speed.
  • Another participant points to the formula for wave speed in strings, noting that it does not account for stiffness, plasticity, or viscosity, and speculates on their potential roles in damping rather than propagation speed.
  • A different participant highlights the complexity of the situation, suggesting that the modulus of the medium would significantly affect wave speed and that finding the relationships involved could be challenging.
  • This participant also proposes alternative measurement methods, such as observing standing compression waves in a container, which might simplify the variables involved in determining wave speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the influence of various factors on wave speed, with no consensus on the significance of stiffness, plasticity, or viscosity. Multiple competing views on measurement approaches and the complexity of the system remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential neglect of certain variables in typical scenarios, the complexity of the relationships between properties, and the specifics of the experimental setup that may affect results.

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I have a question concerning the speed of propagation of a traveling wave along a cable. If I have a cable and I move one end in a direction perpendicular to that of the length of the cable, it will generate a wave/pulse which will propagate along the cable with some speed. I imagine this speed depends on a number of properties of the cable: tension, elasticity, stiffness, density and also perhaps the viscosity of the fluid that the cable is resting in.

I can't, however, seem to find a formula to describe the speed of wave propagation based on these factors - has this been determined and can anyone point me in the right direction?

To give you some context, the cable I am concerned with is a cable in a biological sample. I've observed the propagation of waves of velocity along the cable and was hoping that extracting their speed could give me some insight into the properties of the biological tissue.

Thanks for any help!
 
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Thanks - that definitely gives more search results than waves on cables - so I find that velocity = sqrt(tension/linear density) but this doesn't take into account stiffness & plasticity of the string or the viscosity of the surrounding medium. I'm wondering if this is because with a typical tethered string in air all of these values are negligible and they approximate them to zero. Alternatively perhaps these values don't play a role in the velocity of propagation, only in the level of damping...

Can anyone help me out further on that?
 
This is quite a lot harder and not the 'ideal case'. The modulus of the medium would definitely contribute to the velocity and it would be hard to find the relationships involved.

Is there any particular reason why you want to use a cable in this way for your measurement? I would have thought that there would be easier alternative approaches which would involve a simpler basic arrangement with fewer variables - what about observing a standing compression wave in a container with the sample in it. That could give you the speed of propagation which. along with the would then give the modulus. Attenuation would give you the losses.
A rigid cylinder with an actuator one end and various loads the other end would do the job, in some circs. But of course, it's the specifics of your system that need to drive your choice.
 

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