Ferrite Silcon core pros? & cons? (FeSi)

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The discussion revolves around the properties and behaviors of ferrite silicon (FeSi) cores, particularly in relation to their magnetic domains and how external magnetic fields influence these domains. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical implications, and the potential for manipulation of magnetic properties in a pliable medium.

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  • One participant theorizes that a pliable substrate like silicon may allow magnetic domains to misalign when influenced by external forces, questioning the perfect alignment of domains in magnets.
  • Another participant clarifies that the bulk magnetization is determined by the relative sizes and directions of the magnetic domains.
  • A participant discusses the process of solidification of the FeSi core under an external magnetic field, suggesting that this could lead to long-range ordering of electron spins.
  • One reply corrects a misunderstanding about magnetic domains, explaining that domains are regions where magnetic moments are aligned and that their behavior changes under external fields.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the transition from multiple domains to a single domain and its implications for the strength of the magnetic field, seeking clarification on the effects of external fields on the FeSi core.
  • Another participant posits that the pliability of the substrate may not significantly affect the magnetic properties, emphasizing the importance of understanding the B-H hysteresis curve and the concept of residual magnetization.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the effects of pliability on magnetic properties and the interpretation of domain behavior under external fields. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

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Some limitations include unclear assumptions about the effects of pliability on magnetic properties and the need for further exploration of the B-H hysteresis curve and demagnetization processes.

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Ferrite silcon (FeSi) core pros? & cons?

I'm hoping for some input here to brainstorm. My unlearned theory is that a plyable substraight, in this case a cylinder, will allow the magnetic domains to come off of its' alignment when influenced to do so by an external force/field. The external input can come from a permanent magnet swipe, a magnetic strip, induced field from primary coils, impulses from audio sources etc...

I guess I'll pose the first question.

When magnetic domains are lined up in a NIB rare Earth magnet or in a ceramic magnet... Are these domains lined up perfectly? If these lines of domains are only next to perfect in alignment, will this affect the over all strenght? And, even futher out, would it "turn off " meaning that the field would disappear altogether?
 
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The relative sizes and magnetization directions of the domains in a ferromagnet determine the bulk magnetization of the sample. This link has a good explanation with diagrams:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/ferro.html"
 
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Perhaps I wasn't concise in one of the FeSi-core property descriptions. This core is allowed to solidify, over time as silicone does, under the influence of an external magnetic field which will then lock the magnetic moments parrallel to each other. Correct me if I'm misinterpreting, but Long Range Ordering is to say that the electrons' spin line up in one direction reative to each other, making a long parallel chains, as it were. The magnetic domain is the erea in-between the electrons.

So wouldn't the solidified and yet plyable silicone allow the electron spins/magnetic moments to be changed/tipped ever so slightly when an external field is applied? The Long Range Ording is also effected causing a long-range - shorter-range fluxuation.
 
Domains are NOT the area in-between the electrons. A domain is a part of the material where all the magnetic moments are aligned parallel to each other. When the magnetic material is subjected to an increasing external field, two things happen:

i) Domain walls migrate in a manner that more aligned domains grow at the cost of less aligned domains, and

ii) The magnetization of each of the domains rotates towards the applied field.

Finally, at some saturating field, your entire magnet has just a single domain that is parallel to the direction of the applied field.
 
Obviously I need you guys to be patient with me, Thanks Marcusl and Gokul43201.

Allright. So if only two things happen after a ferrite inpregnated, solidified, silicon core is being induced by an external field. Is, more domains grow until there is only one single domain, which I understand to mean the magnetic field will become some-what stronger and at its' strongest point when it becomes a single domain, the saturation point. But when you say the "magnetization of each of the domains rotates to the applied field". The now single domain only becomes a single domain when an external field is being induced, correct?. If so, prior to the induced field, it is more than one single domain, which renders the FeSi-core to be "not as strong?" or "not at all?" Remember that we are dealing with a plyable medium, silicon. The ferrite will move in and out of optimal domain induced positions, the optimal domain being, one single domain.
Can I then safely summize that the FeSi-core can be turned 'On' from an 'Off' position by simply swiping, inducing it with an array of rare-earth magnets?
Hey, Marcusl, Gokul43201 if this just sounds idiotic, tell me OK?
 
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I imagine your material has ferrite particles imbedded in a silicone resin. If so, the pliability of the substrate will have little effect on the magnetic properties and the questions you are asking are the same as for all ferromagnetic materials. The key is to understand the B-H hysteresis curve. If you reduce the applied H field to zero the ferrite will retain a residual magnetization, which is how a magnet works. To truly demagnetize the material you need to run a "degauss cycle" around the hysteresis loop while H is gradually reduced.

I suggest you follow the link to Hysteresis in the Hyperphysics article above as a start. There is plenty of other material on magnetism on the web as well.
 

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