Find a complex number z which satisfies a particular condition

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The problem involves finding a complex number \( z \) defined as \( z = \frac{a}{b} \) under the condition \( \frac{1}{a+b} = \frac{1}{a} + \frac{1}{b} \). Participants express uncertainty regarding the validity of the condition and explore the implications of the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants attempt to manipulate the given equation and express \( a \) and \( b \) in rectangular form. Some question the validity of the condition, while others explore algebraic manipulations and substitutions to derive relationships between \( a \) and \( b \).

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There is an ongoing exploration of the algebraic relationships involved, with hints and suggestions being shared. Some participants express confusion about previous calculations, and there is a mix of attempts to clarify the problem and explore different interpretations of the equations.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for misunderstanding the algebraic manipulations involved. There is a mention of the need for clarity in calculations and the nature of the expected answer, whether numerical or symbolic.

Seydlitz
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Hello guys!

Homework Statement


The question is like this:

If ##z=\frac{a}{b}## and ##\frac{1}{a+b}=\frac{1}{a}+\frac{1}{b}##, find ##z##.

The Attempt at a Solution


This question is challenging for me because I don't know exactly where to start. The latter condition stated, the sum of the reciprocal of two number is equal to the sum of their reciprocal is already intuitively false for me. You just don't do that kind of operation everyday, and I think it's false for real number. I tried several complex numbers by putting ##a## and ##b## conjugate to each other and see if the condition is true. It's just not true.

I try expressing ##a## and ##b## in rectangular form.

If for example ##a=x+iy##, and ##b=r+is##. (1)
$$\frac{1}{x+iy+r+is}=\frac{(x+r)-i(y+s)}{(x+r)^2+(y+s)^2}$$

On the other hand.
$$\frac{1}{x+iy}=\frac{x-iy}{x^2+y^2}$$
$$\frac{1}{r+is}=\frac{r-is}{r^2+s^2}$$

To sum them up: (2)
$$\frac{(r^2+s^2)(x-iy)+(x^2+y^2)(r-is)}{(x^2+y^2)(r^2+s^2)}$$

I don't see how (1) and (2) can be equal somehow by cleverly choosing the right ##a## and ##b##. On the denominator of (1) you already get addition, but then in (2) you have multiplication. Maybe if ##(x^2+y^2)## and ##(r^2+s^2)## are both ##2##, we can have the point where addition is equal to multiplication. I am not certain and I hope you can enlighten me on this.

Thank You
 
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Hello Seydlitz! :smile:

Have you been at the coffee? :wink:

1/(a+b) = 1/a + 1/b = (a + b)/ab … and solve!​
 
tiny-tim said:
Hello Seydlitz! :smile:

Have you been at the coffee? :wink:

1/(a+b) = 1/a + 1/b = (a + b)/ab … and solve!​

Strange, I've tried it before and it leads to ##ab=1##?
 
?? :confused:

try it again …

you should get a/b = something :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
?? :confused:

try it again …

you should get a/b = something :smile:

Woops..I made bad mistake on the way. I cancel (a+b) blatantly.

Is ##\frac{a}{b}=\frac{-b}{a+b}##?
 
nooo :redface:

show us your calculations :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
nooo :redface:
Try that again, tiny-tim.

What Seydlitz posted is correct. It's just not very useful.
 
tiny-tim said:
nooo :redface:

show us your calculations :smile:

So the only equation is this right?
##\frac{1}{a+b}=\frac{a+b}{ab}##
##\frac{a}{a+b}=\frac{a+b}{b}##
##\frac{a}{a+b}=\frac{a}{b}+1##
##\frac{a}{a+b}-1=\frac{a}{b}##
##\frac{a-(a-b)}{a+b}=\frac{a}{b}##
##\frac{-b}{a+b}=\frac{a}{b}##

Are we expecting a numerical or symbolic answer to this question?
(I haven't eaten yet..)
 
D H said:
Try that again, tiny-tim.

What Seydlitz posted is correct. It's just not very useful.

ahh!

Seydlitz, 1/a+b = (a+b)/ab

=> ab = (a+b)2

carry on from there :smile:
 
  • #10
Hint: in the end substitute z=a/b to make the calculation simpler.
 
  • #11
One more hint: a/b = ab * what? Now multiply both sides of ab=something by this what to get an expression for a/b=z.
 
  • #12
tiny-tim said:
nooo :redface:

show us your calculations :smile:

$$z=\frac{-1\pm i\sqrt{3}}{2}$$

Huzzzah!

Thank you everybody, especially tiny-tim for being particularly patient with me. I'm that clunky sometimes haha.
 

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