Find a vector such that directional derivative is zero

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The discussion revolves around finding a vector such that the directional derivative of the function f(x, y) = e^x^2 + 3e^y at the point (0, 1) is zero. Participants are exploring the concepts of gradients and level curves in relation to directional derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the gradient vector and its role in determining the maximum directional derivative. There is uncertainty about how to find a vector that results in a zero directional derivative, with references to level curves and the relationship between gradients and directional derivatives.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the gradient and level curves, noting that the directional derivative is zero when the vector is tangent to the level curve. There is an ongoing exploration of specific vector examples that satisfy this condition.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the implications of the level curve concept.

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Homework Statement



Let f (x, y) = e^x^2 + 3e^y . At the point (0, 1) find:
(a) a vector u such that the directional derivative D_u f is maximum and write down this maximum value,
(b) a vector v such that D_v f = 0

Homework Equations



grad f / directional derivative formula

The Attempt at a Solution



I can find part (a), simply calculate the gradient vector, but part (b) I don't know what to do. The answer given is:

(b) Dv f is zero when v is tangent to the level curve passing through (0, 1), i.e. when v = i
(or some multiple of this).

I don't understand what this means.
 
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well, you probbably know that:

D_uf=grad{f}*u=|grad{f}||u|cos \theta=|grad{f}|

you only need to fill in the details. theta is the angle between grad{f} and u.
 
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Homework Statement



Let f (x, y) = e^x^2 + 3e^y . At the point (0, 1) find:
(a) a vector u such that the directional derivative D_u f is maximum and write down this maximum value,
(b) a vector v such that D_v f
You mean D_v f= 0?

Homework Equations



grad f / directional derivative formula


The Attempt at a Solution



I can find part (a), simply calculate the gradient vector, but part (b) I don't know what to do. The answer given is:

(b) Dv f is zero when v is tangent to the level curve passing through (0, 1), i.e. when v = i
(or some multiple of this).

I don't understand what this means.
Along a level curve, the function is a constant. (That's what "level curve" means!). That's why the derivative in that direction is 0. You can also do this by using the formula for derivative in the direction of unit vector v: D_v f= \nabla f\cdot v. The dot product of those two vectors will be 0 when they are perpendicular. Of course, a unit vector that makes angle \theta with the x-axis is cos(\theta)\vec{i}+ sin(\theta)\vec{j} so you can also say that the derivative in the direction making angle \theta with the x-axis is cos(\theta) \partial f/\partial x+ sin(\theta)\partial f/\partial y.

It shouldn't be too hard to see that if you are standing on a mountain looking up the steepest direction, the steepest direction down is right behind you and the trail around the mountain, the level curve, is to your side- at right angles to the "steepest" way.

The gradient is always perpendicular to a level curve.
 
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The explanation above is good.

So, if say the gradient vector was i + 2j, then a vector such that Dv f = 0 would be +- (2i - j) ?
 
Yes, that would work.
 
Ok, got it, thanks.
 

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