Find all quadruples (r, s, t, u)

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The discussion revolves around finding all quadruples of positive real numbers $(r, s, t, u)$ that satisfy a set of equations involving their product and specific polynomial relationships. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to inequalities and algebraic identities.

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  • Participants are tasked with finding quadruples $(r, s, t, u)$ such that $rstu=1$, $r^{2012}+2012s=2012t+u^{2012}$, and $2012r+s^{2012}=t^{2012}+2012u.
  • One participant suggests using the AM-GM inequality to potentially prove that there are no other solutions beyond a previously mentioned one.
  • Another participant references a solution but does not provide details, leaving the nature of the solution unclear.

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There is no consensus on the existence of solutions beyond those already mentioned, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of the solution set.

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The discussion does not clarify the assumptions behind the use of the AM-GM inequality or the specific solutions referenced, leaving some mathematical steps and definitions potentially ambiguous.

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Find all quadruples $(r,\,s,\,t,\,u)$ of positive real numbers such that $rstu=1$, $r^{2012}+2012s=2012t+u^{2012}$ and $2012r+s^{2012}=t^{2012}+2012u$.
 
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anemone said:
Find all quadruples $(r,\,s,\,t,\,u)$ of positive real numbers such that $rstu=1---(1)$,
$r^{2012}+2012s=2012t+u^{2012}---(2)$ and
$2012r+s^{2012}=t^{2012}+2012u---(3)$.
by observation ,we may let:
$r=u=\dfrac {1}{s},$ and $s=t$
 
Albert said:
by observation ,we may let:
$r=u=\dfrac {1}{s},$ and $s=t$

Hi Albert,

Thanks for your reply...perhaps you want to prove that there are no other solutions other than the one you cited by using the AM-GM inequality formula?:o
 
Solution of other:

Rewrite the last two equations as

$r^{2012}-u^{2012}=2012(t-s)$---(1)

$t^{2012}-s^{2012}=2012(r-u)$---(2)

Next, observe that $r=u$ holds iff $t=s$ holds. In that case, the last two equations are satisfied and the condition $rstu=1$ leads to a set of valid quadruples of the form $(r,\,s,\,t,\,u)=(k,\,\dfrac{1}{k},\,\dfrac{1}{k},\,k)$ for any $k>0$.

We now show that there are no other solutions. Assume that $r\ne u$ and $t\ne s$. Multiply the equation (1) by (2) we have

$(r^{2012}-u^{2012})(t^{2012}-s^{2012})=2012^2(t-s)(r-u)$

and divide the LHS by the RHS to get

$\dfrac{r^{2011}+\cdots+r^{2011-i}u^i+\cdots+u^{2011}}{2012}\cdot \dfrac{t^{2011}+\cdots+t^{2011-i}s^i+\cdots+s^{2011}}{2012}=1$

Now, applying the AM-GM inequality to the first factor, we have

$\dfrac{r^{2011}+\cdots+r^{2011-i}u^i+\cdots+u^{2011}}{2012}>\sqrt[2012]{(ru)^{\small\dfrac{2011\times 2012}{2}}}=(ru)^{\small{\dfrac{2011}{2}}}$

The inequality is strict, since equality holds only if all terms in the mean are equal to each other, which happpens only if $r=u$.

Similarly, we find

$\dfrac{t^{2011}+\cdots+t^{2011-i}s^i+\cdots+s^{2011}}{2012}>\sqrt[2012]{(ts)^{\small\dfrac{2011\times 2012}{2}}}=(ts)^{\small{\dfrac{2011}{2}}}$

Multiply both inequalities we obtain $(ru)^{\small{\dfrac{2011}{2}}}(ts)^{\small{\dfrac{2011}{2}}}<1$ which is equivalent to $rstu<1$, a contradiction.
 

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