Find Axial Force P: Stress Concentration Homework

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the calculation of axial force P based on a given stress distribution along a bar. Participants explore different approaches to determine the correct value of P, considering factors such as average stress and stress concentration.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates P using an average stress of 30 ksi and an area of 0.6 in², resulting in 18 kip, but questions the validity of this answer.
  • Another participant suggests that the average stress is likely less than 30 ksi, estimating it to be around 28.7 ksi, which would yield a force P of approximately 17.2 kip.
  • A different participant mentions using an empirical equation to find a stress concentration factor of 2.23, leading to a nominal stress of 16.12, indicating a different approach to the problem.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correct answer and mention their professor's similar approach, suggesting a lack of clarity on the problem's resolution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct value of axial force P, with multiple competing views on the average stress and its implications for the calculation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the accuracy of the stress distribution diagram and the interpretation of the average stress value. The discussion also highlights the potential impact of stress concentration factors on the calculations.

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Homework Statement


The stress distribution along the section of a bar is shown below. From this distribution, find the approximate axial force P in kip.
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Homework Equations


δavg=P/A
A= (.6+.6)(.5)
δavg=30ksi[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


P=(30ksi)(.6in2)=18kip

It says this answer is wrong but i don't see where i am going wrong here? .8in is the diameter of the whole so it is not considered when finding the area.[/B]
 
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gv3 said:

Homework Statement


The stress distribution along the section of a bar is shown below. From this distribution, find the approximate axial force P in kip.
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Homework Equations


δavg=P/A
A= (.6+.6)(.5)
δavg=30ksi[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


P=(30ksi)(.6in2)=18kip

It says this answer is wrong but i don't see where i am going wrong here? .8in is the diameter of the whole so it is not considered when finding the area.[/B]
What answer is considered the correct answer?
 
Chestermiller said:
What answer is considered the correct answer?
Not sure. I've still been unable to get the answer. I don't see any other way to approach this. My professor approached it the same way when he did a similar problem.
 
This might be a silly . The average stress is actually a bit less than 30 ksi so your answer for force P is a little high . As near as can be judged from such a small diagram the average stress is actually about 28.7 ksi giving a value of force P of about 17.2 kip .

So maybe 17 kip is the 'correct' answer ?
 
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Nidum said:
This might be a silly . The average stress is actually a bit less than 30 ksi so your answer for force P is a little high . As near as can be judged from such a small diagram the average stress is actually about 28.7 ksi giving a value of force P of about 17.2 kip .

So maybe 17 kip is the 'correct' answer ?
The next question asked for the max stress/average stress and used 30ksi as he average stress which gave me the right answer. I am hesitant to try because i only have 2 attempts left.
 
Have you been given an empirical equation such as the one in Table 6-1-2 here? In this case, by plugging in the numbers, the stress concentration factor would be 2.23, and the nominal stress would therefore be 16.12. But this is just an empirical fit, of course.
 

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