Find Bullet Speed in Spring & Mass System: k, M, m, d

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The problem involves a spring with a spring constant \( k \) from which a block of mass \( M \) is suspended. A bullet of mass \( m \) is fired vertically upward into the block, becoming embedded within it, and the maximum compression of the spring \( d \) is measured. The objective is to find an expression for the bullet's speed in terms of \( k, M, m, \) and \( d \).

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  • Participants discuss the role of gravitational energy in the problem, with some noting that their final answers do not include gravitational energy, prompting questions about the problem's setup.
  • There are attempts to clarify the conservation laws applicable before and after the bullet impacts the block, with suggestions to split the analysis into phases.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the equations and the definitions of variables related to energy and height.
  • Questions arise regarding the choice of reference points for gravitational potential energy and how this affects the calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the implications of their assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation laws and the need to clarify variable definitions, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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Participants note that the problem lacks explicit information about height, which may affect the gravitational energy considerations. There is also discussion about the implications of choosing different reference points for height in the energy equations.

  • #31
Zondrina said:
Okay so according to your variables:

##Δy_f = d - \frac{Mg}{k}##
##Δy_i = \frac{Mg}{k}##
If those are the height differences from the spring's relaxed position, yes. (I'm assuming d > Mg/k, but the equations probably still work even if not.)
##v_i = \frac{mv_b}{m+M}##

I'm a bit confused about how to interpret the gravitational PE you've given. I'm assuming that you've calculated ##mg(y_f - y_i) = (m+M)gd##.
Are you using m differently on the left and right of that equation?
From the impact of the bullet to the max height of the block, block and bullet ascend together a distance d.
So you're claiming ##y_f - y_i = d##?
If yi is the initial position of the block (stretched position of spring) and yf is the highest point to which the block rises, then yes.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
If those are the height differences from the spring's relaxed position, yes. (I'm assuming d > Mg/k, but the equations probably still work even if not.)

Are you using m differently on the left and right of that equation?
From the impact of the bullet to the max height of the block, block and bullet ascend together a distance d.

If yi is the initial position of the block (stretched position of spring) and yf is the highest point to which the block rises, then yes.

Yes I'm assuming up is positive so ##d > Mg/k## holds.

I usually equate generically and simplify as much as possible before I plug things in usually. So on the left I'm using ##m## in general.

I see how you're defining things now though, which also makes a lot of sense. The book I'm using defined things a bit differently for a few example problems, so I was a bit confused about your interpretation at first (even though it also seems straightforward).
 
  • #33
Zondrina said:
Yes I'm assuming up is positive so ##d > Mg/k## holds.
Well, not necessarily. If mv is small and M is large, the bullet might not even lift the block as far as the spring's relaxed position.
 

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