Find Bullet Speed in Spring & Mass System: k, M, m, d

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The discussion revolves around calculating the bullet's speed in a spring-mass system after it embeds itself into a block. Participants emphasize using conservation of momentum during the bullet's impact with the block and conservation of energy for the subsequent motion. There is debate about the role of gravitational energy, with some participants initially overlooking it, leading to confusion regarding the initial and final positions of the mass. The final expression for the bullet's speed incorporates the spring constant, masses, and the maximum compression of the spring. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly defining reference points and applying the relevant physical laws to solve the problem accurately.
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Zondrina said:
Okay so according to your variables:

##Δy_f = d - \frac{Mg}{k}##
##Δy_i = \frac{Mg}{k}##
If those are the height differences from the spring's relaxed position, yes. (I'm assuming d > Mg/k, but the equations probably still work even if not.)
##v_i = \frac{mv_b}{m+M}##

I'm a bit confused about how to interpret the gravitational PE you've given. I'm assuming that you've calculated ##mg(y_f - y_i) = (m+M)gd##.
Are you using m differently on the left and right of that equation?
From the impact of the bullet to the max height of the block, block and bullet ascend together a distance d.
So you're claiming ##y_f - y_i = d##?
If yi is the initial position of the block (stretched position of spring) and yf is the highest point to which the block rises, then yes.
 
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haruspex said:
If those are the height differences from the spring's relaxed position, yes. (I'm assuming d > Mg/k, but the equations probably still work even if not.)

Are you using m differently on the left and right of that equation?
From the impact of the bullet to the max height of the block, block and bullet ascend together a distance d.

If yi is the initial position of the block (stretched position of spring) and yf is the highest point to which the block rises, then yes.

Yes I'm assuming up is positive so ##d > Mg/k## holds.

I usually equate generically and simplify as much as possible before I plug things in usually. So on the left I'm using ##m## in general.

I see how you're defining things now though, which also makes a lot of sense. The book I'm using defined things a bit differently for a few example problems, so I was a bit confused about your interpretation at first (even though it also seems straightforward).
 
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Zondrina said:
Yes I'm assuming up is positive so ##d > Mg/k## holds.
Well, not necessarily. If mv is small and M is large, the bullet might not even lift the block as far as the spring's relaxed position.
 

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