Find charge q of particle passing through charged plates

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The problem involves an inkjet printer's ink drops, which are charged and deflected by an electric field as they travel towards paper. The objective is to determine the charge on the drops based on their mass, velocity, electric field strength, and the desired deflection distance.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between force, charge, and acceleration, with some attempting to derive the charge using kinematic equations. Questions arise regarding the acceleration and the role of time in the motion of the drops.

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Some participants provide insights into the equations and relationships involved, while others express confusion about the assumptions made regarding velocity components and the application of kinematic equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note potential typos in the original post's data and formulas, which may affect understanding. The discussion includes clarifications about the initial conditions of motion and the nature of the forces acting on the drops.

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In an inkjet printer, letters are built up by squirting drops of ink at the paper from a rapidly moving nozzle. The ink drops, which have a mass of 1.3 10-8 g each, leave the nozzle and travel toward the paper at 21 m/s, passing through a charging unit that gives each drop a positive charge q by removing some electrons from it. The drops then pass between parallel deflecting plates 2.0 cm long where there is a uniform vertical electric field with magnitude 7.7 104 N/C. If a drop is to be deflected 0.35 mm by the time it reaches the end of the deflection plates, what magnitude of charge must be given to the drop?

So, I know that F= E*q=m*a
I can solve for t, . I still don't know a, the acceleration, or vfinal of y either. I was thinking of solving for vfy by using dy=vi+vf/2 * t.

Either way, I keep getting the wrong answers. They are supposed to be about ^-13.

Any help is appreciated!
 
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Some of your numbers and formulae are hard to understand with typos, I think. But you seem to be on the right track.

You do know a in terms of q.

What other kinematic formulae do you know?
 
Here is what I can deduce the data from OP
Mass of a drop ,m = 1.3e-8 g = 1.3e-11kg
Deflection , y = .35mm = 3.5e-4 m
Length of the plate ,l = 2cm = 2e-2m,
Velocity of the drop = 21m/s
E = 7.7e4.
Here's the solution,
a_{y} = \frac{qE}{m} ( Since F = qE )
Let t be the time required for the drop to pass the region and deflect,
y = \frac{1}{2}a_{y}t^{2} ... (1)
l = vt
∴ t = \frac{l}{v}
Substituting for t and a in (1) , we get,
y = \frac{qEl^{2} }{2mv^{2}}
Solving for q,
q = 1.30e-13 = 1.3\times10-13
Note : the notation xey means x \times 10 y
 
Sorry about the typos guys!
So, we can solve for t, even though the velocity is mostly in the x direction, because the time is the same for the x and y components of motion, right?
ALso, eq(1) would have originally been y= initial y position + velocity in y * time + (acceleration stuff), but the y velocity component is 0 initially, right?

Eventually, we have velocity in thr y direction, though, so why does eq(1) work? From what I see, it says the velocity in the y direction is always 0.

The answer is absolutely correct; I;m just trying to understand the answers both of you gave. I appreciate this very much. This is better feedback than my prof gives.
 
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I did this one by accident, so I'll make a cat to not waste the post

=^O_O^=
 
SchrodingersMu said:
Sorry about the typos guys!
So, we can solve for t, even though the velocity is mostly in the x direction, because the time is the same for the x and y components of motion, right?
ALso, eq(1) would have originally been y= initial y position + velocity in y * time + (acceleration stuff), but the y velocity component is 0 initially, right?

Eventually, we have velocity in thr y direction, though, so why does eq(1) work? From what I see, it says the velocity in the y direction is always 0.

The answer is absolutely correct; I;m just trying to understand the answers both of you gave. I appreciate this very much. This is better feedback than my prof gives.

The velocity is in the x direction , this is anologous to projectile motion , if you fire in the horizontal direction , the horizontal velocity is unaffected by gravity but the vertical component is affected by gravity so in this case the drop moving across the plates in the x-axis is deflected in the y-axis due to the vertical field.
The equation 1 works because acceleration is constant through out the motion.
If you still have doubts about the equation recall how it is derived.
ds = v.dt ,(now, since v - u= at and u = 0)
ds = at.dt , integrating both sides we get our equation.
Hope that clear things up.
 
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