Find DC Voltage of a Ramp, Step Wave

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the DC voltage and RMS voltage of a ramp and step waveform generated by a function generator. Participants explore the application of Fourier Series to determine these values and address related concepts such as average voltage and power dissipation across a load.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the average value of a periodic signal can be used to determine the DC component, referencing a theorem involving integration over a period.
  • Another participant questions how to handle cases where the period is unknown, proposing that the average value can be expressed in terms of the period T.
  • A later reply indicates confusion about the relationship between RMS voltage and Fourier Series, suggesting that RMS calculations are separate from determining DC voltage.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the average voltage of a ramp wave and proposes a formula for calculating it but struggles to apply it correctly.
  • Another participant clarifies that the DC voltage is the mean value of the signal over a period, not related to the RMS calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of using average values to find the DC component, but there is disagreement regarding the relationship between RMS voltage and Fourier Series, as well as the interpretation of the results derived from these calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the application of Fourier Series to the specific waveform in question, particularly in relation to the assumptions about the period and the integration process. Participants also express uncertainty about the implications of their calculations for the DC voltage.

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Homework Statement


-Find The DC voltage of the signal below created by the function generator
-Find RMS Voltage
-if the V waveform is applied across 1000 Ohm load what is the power dissipated in the load?

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=515966The wave form has axis symmetry which means only cosine terms

Homework Equations


If the signal was a unit step function only all I would need is the average value to determine the DC component. How do I get that value of a Unit Ramp Function?

Would it be an RMS value?

If so does Vrms=Vp/sqrt(2)?

Since there are several numbers of different wave forms would I get the DC component by using Fourier Series?

The Attempt at a Solution


Fourier Series:
The wave form has axis symmetry which means only cosine terms

The area on the top side is smaller than the area on the bottom side so the DC component will be negative.

If it was a pulse, the average voltage would be, Vav=(duty cycle)(peak value)+(1-duty cycle)(Vb)

If it was a sin it would be Vrms=Vp/sqrt(2)

Im not sure what the average voltage of a ramp wave is!

Im going to guess, a0 = 1/T0* int(f(t)dt, t,-T0/2, +T0/2)

But I can't figure out how to apply it!
 
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djpardi said:
If the signal was a unit step function only all I would need is the average value to determine the DC component. How do I get that value of a Unit Ramp Function?

If you are given a periodic signal, no matter what the shape of the signal is, the DC component is always the average value of the signal over a period.
If f(x) is the function representing the signal waveform, there is a theorem which states that the average value of f(x) over a period of T is \frac{1}{T}\int_{T}f(x)dx

djpardi said:
Since there are several numbers of different wave forms would I get the DC component by using Fourier Series?

You can always use the Fourier series to find any component of a periodic signal. But if you look at the formula for calculating the first coefficient ( a_0 ) in the Fourier series you will see that it's exactly the integral above.

The integral can be calculated very simple if you know the relation between the integral of a function and the area between the graph of that function and the x-axis.
 
What if you don't know the value of the period, but you know f(x) and you find dx? What if T is some random value, do you just leave your answer in terms of T?
 
DefaultName said:
What if you don't know the value of the period, but you know f(x) and you find dx? What if T is some random value, do you just leave your answer in terms of T?

Yes, if you don't know T, you can calculate the average value in terms of T. But in general, in problems you are given the period and in real life you can measure it.
 
ok great thanks for the quick response!
 
Ok, So I was in the right direction but I am still a little confused. Through Fourier Series I get RMS to be the following

SQRT(1/To int([f(t)]^2dt

and I plug the Fourier Series Function f(t) into the above equation to get the DC voltage(Integral we initial discussed):

1/To int([A0]^2dt =Ao^2

Does that mean that in this case the DC voltage is 1 since Ao is 1? To me that doesn't make sense.
 
djpardi said:
Through Fourier Series I get RMS

The Root Mean Square has nothing to do with the Fourier series.

The DC voltage is the mean value of the signal over a period not the root mean square.

djpardi said:
and I plug the Fourier Series Function f(t) into the above equation to get the DC voltage

f(t) is the signal. There is no such thing as Fourier Series Function.
 

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