Find Overall Gradient from dz/dx & dz/dy

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of an overall gradient from its components, specifically dz/dx and dz/dy. The context includes both theoretical and conceptual aspects of gradients in mathematics and physics, with a focus on understanding how to combine these components to derive a single value representing the gradient's magnitude.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the overall gradient can be calculated using the formula overall gradient = ((dz/dx)^2 + (dz/dy)^2)^(1/2), focusing solely on the value rather than direction.
  • Another participant points out that the gradient of a function is a vector field and emphasizes that all three components are needed to find the magnitude in 3D space.
  • A later reply suggests that the discussion may not be relevant to 3D space, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the dimensional context.
  • One participant questions the meaning of "overall gradient," clarifying that the formula provided is for the magnitude of the gradient vector, which consists of two components in two dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dimensionality of the problem and the definition of "overall gradient." There is no consensus on how to approach the calculation, with some focusing on magnitude and others on the vector nature of gradients.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the dimensionality of the space being discussed and the definitions of gradient components. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the application of the proposed formula in different contexts.

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Hello everyone,

I have 2 components of a gradient, for example, the dz/dx and the dz/dy, I want to find the overall gradient it forms, how would I do that?

Is it simply by combining the two gradients like this:

overall gradient = ((dz/dx)^2 + (dz/dy)^2)^(1/2)

I don't need the direction, I don't really care about the direction, i just need the value of the combined gradients.

Thanks in advance

-FakenEdit:

Well, it seems that I'm not asking my question clearly enough, let me try again but this time with a physical example.Imagine a flat plate in 3D space that has a known slope in the x direction and the y direction (or dz/dx and dz/dy, in this case, we are using the right handed coordinate system with positive x going from left to right, positive y going away from you, and positive z going up).

If i place a ball on the plate and gravity acts on the ball in the negative z direction, which direction will the ball go (as viewed from above, or the path projected onto the XY plane), and what slope will the ball "see" going in that direction.

Basically its like converting Cartesian coordinates into polar coordinates, except I'm dealing with a gradient or slope.
 
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The gradient of a function is a vector field. If you are working in 3D space, then the vector field has three components. You cannot find the magnitude without knowing all three components.
 
Ok maybe not 3d space.
 
What, exactly, do YOU mean by "overall gradient" then? If you start with two values, but the formula you then gives, assuming that z is a function of the two variables x and y, is for the magnitude of the gradient vector. The gradient vector itself is just \left(\partial z/\partial x\right)\vec{i}+ \left(\partial z/\partial y}\left)\vec{j}.
And, of course, you must be working in two dimensions, not three.
 

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