Find partials for ##f## and the equation of plane

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The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivatives of the function ##f(x,y)=((x-1)y)^\frac{2}{3}## at the point ##(1,0)## and determining the equation of the tangent plane at that point.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the partial derivatives ##f_{x}(a,b)## and ##f_{y}(a,b)##, noting that both derivatives yield zero at the point ##(1,0)##. There is uncertainty about the correctness of these calculations, with some participants questioning the implications of division by zero in the derivatives.

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The conversation has highlighted that both partial derivatives are undefined at the point ##(1,0)## due to division by zero. Participants are exploring the consequences of this finding regarding the existence of a tangent plane at that point.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of undefined partial derivatives and the resulting inability to define a tangent plane at the specified point.

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Homework Statement



Function is ##f(x,y)=((x-1)y)^\frac{2}{3}##,##\space\space(a,b)=(1,0)##

a) Calculate ##f_{x}(a,b)## and ##f_{y}(a,b)## at point ##(a,b)## and write the equation for the plane.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


So,

##f_{x}(x,y)=\frac{2y^\frac{2}{3}}{3(x-1)^\frac{1}{3}}##

##f_{y}(x,y)=\frac{2(x-1)^\frac{2}{3}}{3y^\frac{1}{3}}##

Therefore, at ##(1,0)##, ##f_{x}(x,y)=0## and ##f_{y}(x,y)=0##

Equation of plane at ##(1,0)## is ##z=0##.

What I'm doing seems right, but there is a nagging feeling that I'm wrong.

So thoughts?

Thanks.
 
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toforfiltum said:

Homework Statement



Function is ##f(x,y)=((x-1)y)^\frac{2}{3}##,##\space\space(a,b)=(1,0)##

a) Calculate ##f_{x}(a,b)## and ##f_{y}(a,b)## at point ##(a,b)## and write the equation for the plane.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


So,

##f_{x}(x,y)=\frac{2y^\frac{2}{3}}{3(x-1)^3}##

##f_{y}(x,y)=\frac{2(x-1)^\frac{2}{3}}{3y^3}##

Therefore, at ##(1,0)##, ##f_{x}(x,y)=0## and ##f_{y}(x,y)=0##

Equation of plane at ##(1,0)## is ##z=0##.

What I'm doing seems right, but there is a nagging feeling that I'm wrong.

So thoughts?

Thanks.
Your differentiation of ##x^{\frac23}## is wrong.
 
toforfiltum said:

Homework Statement



Function is ##f(x,y)=((x-1)y)^\frac{2}{3}##,##\space\space(a,b)=(1,0)##

a) Calculate ##f_{x}(a,b)## and ##f_{y}(a,b)## at point ##(a,b)## and write the equation for the plane.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


So,

##f_{x}(x,y)=\frac{2y^\frac{2}{3}}{3(x-1)^3}##

##f_{y}(x,y)=\frac{2(x-1)^\frac{2}{3}}{3y^3}##

Therefore, at ##(1,0)##, ##f_{x}(x,y)=0## and ##f_{y}(x,y)=0##

Equation of plane at ##(1,0)## is ##z=0##.

What I'm doing seems right, but there is a nagging feeling that I'm wrong.

So thoughts?

Thanks.

Yes, indeed, both of your partial derivatives are incorrect. I don't get ##\frac{2}{3} - 1 = 3##, as you seem to have written.
 
toforfiltum said:

The Attempt at a Solution


So,
##f_{x}(x,y)=\frac{2y^\frac{2}{3}}{3(x-1)^\frac{1}{3}}##

##f_{y}(x,y)=\frac{2(x-1)^\frac{2}{3}}{3y^\frac{1}{3}}##

Therefore, at ##(1,0)##, ##f_{x}(x,y)=0## and ##f_{y}(x,y)=0##
The corrected partials are now correct, but the values you show at (1, 0) aren't. Notice that in both cases, both the numerator and denominator are zero.
 
Mark44 said:
The corrected partials are now correct, but the values you show at (1, 0) aren't. Notice that in both cases, both the numerator and denominator are zero.
Is it undefined in both cases because they involve a division by zero?
 
toforfiltum said:
Is it undefined in both cases because they involve a division by zero?
Yes. Both partials are undefined at (1, 0).
 
Mark44 said:
Yes. Both partials are undefined at (1, 0).
So that means there is no equation that exists for the tangent plane at that point, right?
 
toforfiltum said:
So that means there is no equation that exists for the tangent plane at that point, right?
Yes
 
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Yes
Thanks!
 

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