Find Perfect Squares from Residues Mod 16

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The discussion revolves around identifying perfect squares from the set of residues modulo 16. Participants are exploring the definition of perfect squares and how to apply it within the context of modular arithmetic.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the definition of perfect squares, with some seeking clarity on whether a number is considered a perfect square based on its square root. Others suggest squaring the residues directly to find perfect squares mod 16.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of definitions and methods. Some participants have provided guidance on squaring the residues, while others are clarifying their understanding of the terminology involved. No explicit consensus has been reached, but productive dialogue is occurring.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings related to language and definitions, as well as the implications of modular arithmetic in identifying perfect squares.

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Homework Statement



X mod m is the remainder when x is divided by m. This value is called a residue. Find all perfect squares from the set of residues mod 16.

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There was a suggestion that this would become clearer when the definition of perfect square was reviewed and found to be more than just a square rootable number.

I can't find a better definition of a perfect square than a number that has a square root that is an integer. Can anyone point me to an exhaustive definition of a perfect square?

Thanks,
Bernie
 
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You have it. Let A be some system of arithmetic - the integers, or the integers mod m.

s in A is a square if s=r^2 for some r in A.
 
Matt,

Thanks for the reply. One bit of clarification;

a and b are integers and a^2 = b

Is a the perfect square?

So if I was asked to find the perfect square of b, then the answer would be a?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm struggling with the english syntax of this problem. I guess Shaw was right when he said the US and England were sperated by a common language. Heck, NY and CA are separated by a common language, hahaha.

Bernie
 
Erm, no there is no language separation here. Please reread what was written. I said s was a square (prefect, if you must) if s was equal/equivalent to r^2 for some r. So, if all else fails, to find the squares mod 16, all you need to do is take the 16 residues, 0,1,..,15 and square them all and see what you get. In fact that is probably the most sensible way to do the problem.
 
Thanks Matt!

I got it figured out. Along the way I also figured out there are many wrong definitions on the net for perfect squares, hahahaha.

Bernie
 
Bernie Hunt said:

Homework Statement



X mod m is the remainder when x is divided by m. This value is called a residue. Find all perfect squares from the set of residues mod 16.
There are exactly 16 members of the set of residues mod 16, 0 through 15.
Square each of them and find the residue mod 16. For example, 22= 4 mod 16 so 4 is a perfect square mod 16. 32= 9 mod 16 so 9 is a perfect square mod 16. The "mod" part doesn't come in until you get numbers whose square is greater than 16: 52= 25= 16+ 9 = 9 mod 16 so that just gives you "9 is a perfect square mod 16" again. 62= 36= 2(16)+ 4 so "4 is a perfect square mod 16" again.
 

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