Algebra proof involving perfect squares

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The problem involves proving that if \( c^2 = ab \) and \( (a,b) = 1 \), then both \( a \) and \( b \) must be perfect squares. The discussion centers around number theory, specifically properties of prime factorization and the implications of the greatest common divisor (GCD).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the GCD being 1, consider the prime factorization of perfect squares, and discuss how the factorization of \( c \) relates to \( a \) and \( b \). There are attempts to connect the properties of prime factors in \( c^2 \) to those in \( ab \).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and attempting to clarify their understanding of the relationships between \( a \), \( b \), and \( c \). Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the prime factorization and its implications for the problem, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the importance of the condition \( (a,b) = 1 \) and its implications for the prime factorization of \( a \) and \( b \). There is also mention of specific examples to illustrate points, such as using \( c = 20 \) and \( c = 15 \) to explore potential values for \( a \) and \( b \).

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The problem states, if c^2 = ab and (a,b) = 1, prove that a and b are perfect squares.
( the notation (a,b) means the GCD of a and b)

So i have a lot of thoughts on this problem but i am getting stuck.

1) if c^2 = ab then c(c) = ab which says c divides ab.

2) the only real theorem available about the GCD of two numbers we have is that it can be written as a linear combination. so ax + by = 1 for some integers x and y.

3) however this problem is in the section about prime numbers and prime factorizations so i started thinking about perfect squares prime factorization

4 = 2^2
9 = 3^2
16 = 2^5 = 2^2(2^2)
25 = 5^2
36 = 2^2(3^2)
49 = 7^2
64 = 2^6 = 2^2(2^2)(2^2)
81 = 3^4 = 3^2(3^2)
and so on. so it seems this this should help me somehow. But i am not sure where to go with this or how i am going to use that fact that (a,b) = 1, so they are relatively prime.

Well wait if they are relatively prime, they couldn't be 2 perfect squares like 36 and 81 or else their GCD would not be 1 it would 3^2 or 9.
But a and b could be numbers like 25 and 16.

Anyone can help me finish please? A lot of these ideas came up as i type this.
 
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Factorization seems a good way to go. I would try to find out how often a prime factor of c has to appear in the product of ab.
Then the GCD should tell you were this factor can come from in ab.

What's wrong with 25 and 16? They are a solution for c = 20.
 
I am still a bit confused. So just as an example if a were 25 and b were 16 then that's fine because (a,b) = 1.

so the c = 20 we have (20)^2 = 25(16) and so we have 400 = 400.
20 = 2^2(5).

so now i am starting to see something. c has the same prime factorization has a*b. I am having some trouble putting this all together though.

Is there anymore help i could get?
 
Do it the other way round to get a feeling what you have to do.
E.g. try to find some a,b for c=15.
 
write ab as a product of distinct prime powers, they must all be even powers if ab = c^2.

Now if gcd(a,b)=1 then a and b are coprime, so can't contain any prime factors in common...
 
Let me start with C.
c = p1^k1(p2^k2)...pn^kn.

c^2 = p1^2k1(p2^2k2)...pn^2kn

and we know (a,b) = 1 are relatively prime so they do not share any of the same p sub i right?
But i can definitely say that the prime factorization of c^2 better be the same the prime factorization of ab right?

so
a = (p1^2k1)(p2^2k2)...(pr^2kr)
b = (pr+1^2kr+1)(pr+2^2k+2)...(pn^2kn)

aha so then a and b are perfect squares. this is right?

does this work?
 
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