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The discussion revolves around finding the real solutions to the equation $$\frac{36}{\sqrt{x}}+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}=42-9\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{y}$$. Participants explore various methods of solving the equation, including algebraic manipulations and substitutions, while considering the constraints on the variables involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose rewriting the equation to isolate terms involving square roots, leading to the expression $$\frac{36}{\sqrt{x}}+9\sqrt{x}+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+\sqrt{y}=42$$.
  • One participant defines new variables $$u=\frac{4}{\sqrt{x}}+\sqrt{x}$$ and $$v=\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+\sqrt{y}$$, leading to the equation $$9u+v=42$$.
  • Another participant suggests that if $$\sqrt{x}>2$$, it leads to contradictions in finding real solutions for $$y$$, thus limiting the possible values of $$\sqrt{x}$$ to 1 or 2.
  • Some participants derive specific values for $$x$$ and $$y$$, concluding that $$x=4$$ and $$y=9$$, but others question the assumptions made regarding the integer nature of the square roots.
  • One participant acknowledges a false assumption about the integer values of $$\sqrt{x}$$ and $$\sqrt{y}$$, indicating a need to reconsider their approach.
  • Another participant presents an alternative method involving a different algebraic manipulation, leading to the same conclusion of $$x=4$$ and $$y=9$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants arrive at the same solution of $$x=4$$ and $$y=9$$, there is no consensus on the assumptions regarding the nature of the variables, particularly whether they must be integers. The discussion remains open to different interpretations and methods of solving the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the values of $$\sqrt{x}$$ and $$\sqrt{y}$$, particularly whether they are restricted to integers. This leads to different approaches and conclusions about the solutions.

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Find the real solution(s) to the equation $$\frac{36}{\sqrt{x}}+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}=42-9\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{y}$$.
 
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anemone said:
Find the real solution(s) to the equation $$\frac{36}{\sqrt{x}}+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}=42-9\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{y}$$.

Hey anemone!

Nice little puzzle.
Here's my solution.

Rewrite as
$$\frac{36}{\sqrt{x}}+9\sqrt{x}+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+\sqrt{y}=42$$
Note that $x,y\ge 0$ for the square root to be defined.

Define:
$$u=\frac{4}{\sqrt{x}}+\sqrt{x},\quad v=\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+\sqrt{y}$$
So:
$$9u+v=42 \qquad\qquad (1)$$
Note that $u,v\ge 0$, since the square roots are non-negative.

Rewrite:
\begin{array}{lcl}
(\sqrt{x})^2 - u\sqrt{x} +4=0, &\quad& (\sqrt{y})^2 - v\sqrt{y} + 9=0 \\
\sqrt{x} = \frac 12 \left(u \pm \sqrt{u^2 - 4^2}\right), && \sqrt{y} = \frac 12 \left(v \pm \sqrt{v^2 - 6^2}\right)
\end{array}
It follows that $u \ge 4$ and $v \ge 6$.
Then from (1) we get $u =4$ and $v = 6$.

Therefore:
\begin{array}{llcll}
\sqrt{x} &= \frac 12 \cdot 4= 2,&\quad& \sqrt{y}&=\frac 12 \cdot 6 = 3 \\
x&=4,&& y&=9
\end{array}
 
I like Serena said:
Hey anemone!

Nice little puzzle.
Hi I like Serena,

I want to thank you for participating and thanks for the compliment to this problem as well...:o, I'm so flattered!(Pretending like I am the one who set this problem up, hehehe...
emo36.gif
)

And thank you for showing me another way to solve this problem too!

My solution:

We're given to solve for $x$ and $y$ from the equation $$\frac{36}{\sqrt{x}}+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}=42-9\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{y}$$.

Here we know $\sqrt{x}, \sqrt{y}>0$.

By rewriting the given equation to get

$$\frac{36}{\sqrt{x}}+9\sqrt{x}+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=42$$

It's not hard to see that $\sqrt{x}\le2$ because when $\sqrt{x}>2$, e.g.

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]if $\sqrt{x}=3$

$$\frac{36}{3}+9(3)+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=42$$

$$\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=3$$

$$9=\sqrt{y}(3-\sqrt{y})$$ and this equation has no real solution for $y$.[/TD]
[TD]if $\sqrt{x}=4$

$$\frac{36}{4}+9(4)+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=42$$

$$\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=-3$$

and this equation has no real solution for $y$.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

And since $\sqrt{x}, \sqrt{y}>0$ and $\sqrt{x}\le2$, we only need to consider the cases $\sqrt{x}=1$ and $\sqrt{x}=2$ for $x$.

When $\sqrt{x}=1$, we have

$$\frac{36}{1}+9(1)+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=42$$

$$\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=-3$$

Similarly, this equation has no real number solution.

When $\sqrt{x}=2$, we have

$$\frac{36}{2}+9(2)+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=42$$

$$\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+ \sqrt{y}=6$$

$$\sqrt{y}=3$$

$$\therefore \;\;(x,y)=(4, 9)$$.
 
anemone said:
Hi I like Serena,

I want to thank you for participating and thanks for the compliment to this problem as well...:o, I'm so flattered!(Pretending like I am the one who set this problem up, hehehe...
emo36.gif
)

And thank you for showing me another way to solve this problem too!

I'm glad to see you enjoy math so much. (Cool)
we only need to consider the cases $\sqrt{x}=1$ and $\sqrt{x}=2$ for $x$.

How is that? It's not given it's an integer is it?
 
I like Serena said:
I'm glad to see you enjoy math so much. (Cool)

I think math is our true friend, as figures never lie, though humans do!:o

I like Serena said:
How is that? It's not given it's an integer is it?

Ops! I'm terribly sorry for making a false assumption in my solution, I blindly assumed $\sqrt {x}$ and $\sqrt {x}$ are meant to take integers values, which wasn't correct...

Sorry!:o and now, I'm back to square one...:(
 
anemone said:
I'm back to square one... :(

I'd say you're back to the square root. (Angel)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey anemone!

Nice little puzzle.
Here's my solution.

Rewrite as
$$\frac{36}{\sqrt{x}}+9\sqrt{x}+\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+\sqrt{y}=42$$
Note that $x,y\ge 0$ for the square root to be defined.

Define:
$$u=\frac{4}{\sqrt{x}}+\sqrt{x},\quad v=\frac{9}{\sqrt{y}}+\sqrt{y}$$
So:
$$9u+v=42 \qquad\qquad (1)$$
Note that $u,v\ge 0$, since the square roots are non-negative.

Rewrite:
\begin{array}{lcl}
(\sqrt{x})^2 - u\sqrt{x} +4=0, &\quad& (\sqrt{y})^2 - v\sqrt{y} + 9=0 \\
\sqrt{x} = \frac 12 \left(u \pm \sqrt{u^2 - 4^2}\right), && \sqrt{y} = \frac 12 \left(v \pm \sqrt{v^2 - 6^2}\right)
\end{array}
It follows that $u \ge 4$ and $v \ge 6$.
Then from (1) we get $u =4$ and $v = 6$.

Therefore:
\begin{array}{llcll}
\sqrt{x} &= \frac 12 \cdot 4= 2,&\quad& \sqrt{y}&=\frac 12 \cdot 6 = 3 \\
x&=4,&& y&=9
\end{array}

I would start from

36/x^(1/2) + 9x^(1/2) + 9 /y^(1/2) + y^(1/2) = 42

And proceed as

(36/x^(1/2) + 9x^(1/2) – 36) + (9 /y^(1/2) + y^(1/2)- 6) = 0
Hence 9( 2/x^1/4 – x^(1/4))^2 + (3/y^(1/4) – y^(1/4))^2 = 0
=> 2/x^(1/4) – x^(1/4) = 0 or x = 2^2 = 4
And 3/y^(1/4) – y^(1/4) = 0 or y = 9
 

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