Find Second Derivative of √x^2 + x + 1 Using Chain Rule | Homework Solution

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The discussion revolves around finding the second derivative of the function f(x) = √(x^2 + x + 1) using the chain rule. Participants are exploring the differentiation process and addressing potential errors in their calculations.

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  • Participants attempt to apply the chain rule and product rule for differentiation. There are discussions about the correctness of the first derivative and confusion regarding the application of the product rule in finding the second derivative.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on specific steps. There is acknowledgment of the need for parentheses in expressions, and one participant suggests a more effective way to rewrite the second derivative. However, there is no clear consensus on the correctness of the second derivative.

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Participants mention that this topic is new to them, indicating a learning environment where assumptions and understanding are being actively questioned. There are references to previous methods used, such as the quotient rule, which may not have yielded satisfactory results.

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Homework Statement



f(x) = √x^2 + x + 1

Homework Equations



Chain Rule

The Attempt at a Solution



f ' (x) = (x^2+x+1)^1/2
= 1/2 (x^2+x+1)^-1/2(x^2+x+1)'
= 1/2(x^2+x+1)^-1/2(2x + 1)
= 1/2(2x+1)/√(x^2+x+1)

f '' (x) = So I am having trouble with that. Unless my answer for the first derivative is incorrect. I've already tried the quotient rule as well as the product rule. I haven't succeed in any.

Here, I'll use the product rule:

f '' (x) = 1/2(2x+1)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2

= (x+1/2)' (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (x+1/2)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2'

= (1)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (x+1/2)(-1/2)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2(x^2+x+1)'

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-1/2x - 1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2(2x+1)

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-1 -1/2x - 1/2x - 1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-4-4x-1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2

= (-5/4 - x)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2 + 1/(x^2+x+1)^1/2

I know for sure this is not the right answer.

The right answer should be 3/4(x^2+x+1)^3/2
 
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domyy said:

Homework Statement



f(x) = √x^2 + x + 1
Based on your work below, you need parentheses. I think this is your function -
f(x) = √(x2 + x + 1)
domyy said:

Homework Equations



Chain Rule

The Attempt at a Solution



f ' (x) = (x^2+x+1)^1/2
No, the right side isn't the original function. You should indicated that the right side is the derivative of what you started with. Also, although you have some parentheses now, you need some around the exponents

f ' (x) = d/dx [/color][(x^2+x+1)^(1/2)]
domyy said:
= 1/2 (x^2+x+1)^-1/2(x^2+x+1)'
= 1/2(x^2+x+1)^-1/2(2x + 1)
OK except for missing parens around the exponent.
domyy said:
= 1/2(2x+1)/√(x^2+x+1)

f '' (x) = So I am having trouble with that. Unless my answer for the first derivative is incorrect. I've already tried the quotient rule as well as the product rule. I haven't succeed in any.

Here, I'll use the product rule:

f '' (x) = d/dx [/color]1/2(2x+1)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2
It would have been easier to just pull out that factor of 1/2, rather than working with it as you did below.
domyy said:
= (x+1/2)' (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (x+1/2)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2'

= (1)(x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (x+1/2)(-1/2)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2(x^2+x+1)'

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-1/2x - 1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2(2x+1)

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-1 -1/2x - 1/2x - 1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2

= (x^2+x+1)^-1/2 + (-4-4x-1/4)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2

= (-5/4 - x)(x^2+x+1)^-3/2 + 1/(x^2+x+1)^1/2

I know for sure this is not the right answer.

The right answer should be 3/4(x^2+x+1)^3/2

Your first derivative is correct. Your work for the 2nd derivative might be correct, but the way you did it makes it difficult to check.

Start with f'(x) = (1/2)(2x + 1)(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)

f''(x) = (1/2)[ (2x + 1)(-1/2)(x2 + x + 1)^(-3/2)(2x + 1) + 2(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)]

Do NOT bring that first factor of 1/2 inside the brackets!

If you clean the above up, by factoring (x2 + x + 1)-3/2 from the two factors inside the brackets, you should end up with the correct answer.
 
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Thank you so much for the reply. Before, I'd used the quotient rule. I see that how you put it, f''(x) = (1/2)[ (2x + 1)(-1/2)(x2 + x + 1)^(-3/2)(2x + 1), is a much better way to rewrite it.

However, I am confused with the second part 2(x2] + x + 1)^(1/2)]. Where is this coming from?

I am so sorry...this is a new topic in my class and I am still trying to understand it.

Thanks again!
 
domyy said:
Thank you so much for the reply. Before, I'd used the quotient rule. I see that how you put it, f''(x) = (1/2)[ (2x + 1)(-1/2)(x2 + x + 1)^(-3/2)(2x + 1), is a much better way to rewrite it.

However, I am confused with the second part 2(x2] + x + 1)^(1/2)]. Where is this coming from?
Product rule. Also, I notice that I had an extra bracket that shouldn't have been there, and I forgot to put in the sign for the exponent. I have edited my previous post, so it should be OK now.

What you have above should be
2(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)

The first 2 is there because it is the derivative of (2x + 1).

The problem was to find the derivative of (1/2)(2x + 1)(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2).

f''(x) = (1/2) * d/dx[(2x + 1)(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)]
= (1/2) * [ (2x + 1) * d/dx(x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)) + d/dx(2x + 1) * (x2 + x + 1)^(-1/2)]
domyy said:
I am so sorry...this is a new topic in my class and I am still trying to understand it.

Thanks again!
 

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