Derivative of (x^2-x^-1+1)(x^3+2x-6)^7; cannot simplify

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The problem involves finding the derivative of the expression (x^2-x^-1+1)(x^3+2x-6)^7, which requires the application of the product and chain rules in calculus.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the product and chain rules, noting attempts to simplify the expression after differentiation. There are questions about missing exponents and errors in the simplification process.

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Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's differentiation, specifically regarding missing exponents. There is an ongoing exploration of how to combine and simplify the resulting terms, with suggestions to use the distributive property and factor out common terms.

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Participants note that the original poster is new to higher-level math and is focused on solidifying their skills. There is an indication that the text's answer differs significantly from the original poster's results, prompting further investigation into the simplification process.

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Homework Statement



Find the derivative of (x^2-x^-1+1)(x^3+2x-6)^7

Homework Equations



This is a product so I used the product and chain rule where appropriate

The Attempt at a Solution



(x^3+2x-6)[7(x^2-x^-1+1)(3x^2+2)]+[(x^3+2x-6)(2x+1/x^2)]

This is as far as I could get in my simplification. My book has an answer which is further simplified. I now that I must know combine the two bracketed factors but when I do this my answers doesn't equal my text's answer. I'm usually fine with the algebra involved in simplifying but I simply do not see where my error lies.

This is one of my first higher level math courses and I'm really trying to solidify the skills being introduced.
 
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Your solution looks correct with the exception of missing exponents on two terms. Do you see where?
 
intwo said:
Your solution looks correct with the exception of missing exponents on two terms. Do you see where?

My bad: (x^3+2x-6)^6[7(x^2-x^-1+1)(3x^2+2)]+[(x^3+2x-6)(2x+1/x^2)]

I don't see the other error.
 
biochem850 said:
My bad: (x^3+2x-6)^6[7(x^2-x^-1+1)(3x^2+2)]+[(x^3+2x-6)(2x+1/x^2)]

I don't see the other error.

You're missing a power of 7 on the other factor of x3+2x-6, the one in the second term.
 
You should also have an exponent of 7.

[itex]7(x^{2} - x^{-1} +1)(x^{3}+2x - 6)^{6}(3x^{2} + 2) + (x^{3} + 2x - 6)^{7}(2x + x^{-2})[/itex]

Try using the distributive property on those terms and see if you get the answer in the back of the book. I don't see any need to simplify it besides practicing algebra, but maybe some terms will cross out or something.
 
intwo said:
You should also have an exponent of 7.

[itex]7(x^{2} - x^{-1} +1)(x^{3}+2x - 6)^{6}(3x^{2} + 2) + (x^{3} + 2x - 6)^{7}(2x + x^{-2})[/itex]

Try using the distributive property on those terms and see if you get the answer in the back of the book. I don't see any need to simplify it besides practicing algebra, but maybe some terms will cross out or something.

I factored out the (x^3+2x-6)^6 and got:

(x^3+2x-6)^6[7(x^2-x^-1+1)(3x^2+2)]+[(x^3+2x-6)(2x+x^-2)]. Is this erroneous?
 
biochem850 said:
I factored out the (x^3+2x-6)^6 and got:

(x^3+2x-6)^6[7(x^2-x^-1+1)(3x^2+2)]+[(x^3+2x-6)(2x+x^-2)]. Is this erroneous?

Looks good. What is the answer that your book gives? You may need to multiply those terms in the brackets.
 
intwo said:
Looks good. What is the answer that your book gives? You may need to multiply those terms in the brackets.

The text's answer:

[(x^3+2x-6)^6/x^2]* (23x^6+39x^4-32x^3+14x^2-12x-6)
 
Any suggestion? I multiplied the terms in brackets and my answers is quite different from the text's.
 
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biochem850 said:
Any suggestion? I multiplied the terms in brackets and my answers is quite different from the text's.

You are going to need to factor out an x^(-2) as well. And nobody can tell you what you did wrong until you show what you got and how you got it. And I'm going to agree with intwo. You know how to differentiate, that's clear. Spending a whole lot of time on simplification questions might not be the best use of time.
 

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