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The discussion revolves around determining the atom and mole ratios of carbon (C) to oxygen (O) in the compound CH3COOC2H5. Participants are seeking clarification on how to approach the problem, particularly in the context of chemistry concepts related to atoms and moles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants inquire about the number of carbon and oxygen atoms in the compound CH3COOC2H5.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between atoms and moles, suggesting that the mole ratio may require additional assumptions.
  • One participant provides an explanation of mole ratios, using examples from chemical reactions to illustrate their understanding, but questions whether their interpretation is correct.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to focus on the specific question of how many C and O atoms are present in the molecule.
  • Repeated requests for personal email communication are made, which are discouraged by other participants who stress the importance of keeping discussions within the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the interpretation of mole ratios, and participants express differing views on how to approach the problem. Some participants agree on the need to clarify the number of atoms, while others remain uncertain about the definitions and assumptions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions of atoms and moles may not be straightforward in this context, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions needed to answer the problem accurately.

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1. Homework Statement [/b]
on this compound ( CH3COOC2H5)
what is the
1) atom ratio of C to O ?
2) mole ratio of the same
 
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How many carbon atoms? How many oxygen atoms?
 
can i add you on my email..
to help me easier?
 
Please show the work.

Borek provided the method for part 1.

How are atoms and moles related?
 
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please i have more question..

can i get your email?
 
ASMA HASSAN said:
please i have more question..

can i get your email?
Please do not request emails. Please ask questions in the forum in the thread. That is the point of the forum.
 
i need them fast .. so, can you concentrate with me??
 
Chemistry is not my subject, but I thought a "mole ratio" was simply the numerical ratio of the number of moles of molecules needed to make a balanced reaction, or in certain cases where the substance doesn't come in molecules, it's in terms of the basic unit, atom or ionic formula. (It can then be multiplied by the molecular or unit weight to determine appropriate ratios of masses of reactants). For example, if the reactants are hydrogen and oxygen gases (H2 and O2) forming water (H2O) then the mole ratio of hydrogen to oxygen is 2:1, the same as the atom ratio, but if one is reacting solid carbon (where the unit is C) with oxygen gas (O2) to make carbon dioxide (CO2) then the mole ratio is 1:1 but the atom ratio is 1:2. Can a chemist confirm that this is correct?

Since O is not a molecule, and for that matter neither is C the "mole ratio" part of this question doesn't make much sense to me, and appears to require an additional assumption. I would personally state my assumption and answer the question on that basis.
 
Jonathan Scott said:
Chemistry is not my subject, but I thought a "mole ratio" was simply the numerical ratio of the number of moles of molecules needed to make a balanced reaction, or in certain cases where the substance doesn't come in molecules, it's in terms of the basic unit, atom or ionic formula. (It can then be multiplied by the molecular or unit weight to determine appropriate ratios of masses of reactants). For example, if the reactants are hydrogen and oxygen gases (H2 and O2) forming water (H2O) then the mole ratio of hydrogen to oxygen is 2:1, the same as the atom ratio, but if one is reacting solid carbon (where the unit is C) with oxygen gas (O2) to make carbon dioxide (CO2) then the mole ratio is 1:1 but the atom ratio is 1:2. Can a chemist confirm that this is correct?

When explaining moles I like to refer to the mole as "overgrown dozen" - just like dozen is 12 objects, mole is 6.02*1023 objects. You may have dozen atoms, dozen molecules, you may have mole of atoms, mole of atoms. Generally speaking you may have mole of cars (not that it makes any sense, but technically that's correct).

Since O is not a molecule, and for that matter neither is C the "mole ratio" part of this question doesn't make much sense to me, and appears to require an additional assumption. I would personally state my assumption and answer the question on that basis.

See above - mole doesn't have to refer specifically to chemically sound molecules (although it usually does). In this case it just refers to the ratio of numbers of atoms.
 
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ASMA HASSAN said:
i need them fast .. so, can you concentrate with me??

If you need it fast, then get to work using what you have been told already.

To solve this question you need to answer Borek's question from post #2: how many C atoms and how many O atoms are in the molecule CH3COOC2H5 ? Spending time on anything else (like asking for the email address of anybody who will talk to you) is not a good use of your time.
 

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