Find the closest point to the origin on the curve of intersection to a cone

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The discussion revolves around finding the point closest to the origin on the curve of intersection between a plane defined by the equation 2y + 4z = 5 and a cone described by z^2 = 4x^2 + 4y^2. Participants are exploring methods to approach this optimization problem using Lagrange multipliers.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to use the method of Lagrange multipliers by setting up a function f(x,y,z) = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 and finding its gradient. They express concern about obtaining an invalid result (x^2 = -25) and seek clarification on potential mistakes in their setup or algebra. Other participants suggest checking multiple cases and emphasize the importance of correctly formulating the constraints for the Lagrange multiplier method.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the formulation of constraints and the setup of equations. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the constraints and the gradients involved in the problem. Some participants are questioning the assumptions made regarding the constraints and their forms.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the correct formulation of the constraints for the Lagrange multiplier method, specifically the need to express them in the form H(x,y,z) = 0 and G(x,y,z) = 0. There is also a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the values assigned to the constraints.

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Homework Statement


find the point closest to the origin on the curve of intersection of the plane 2y+4z=5 and the cone z^2=4x^2+4y^2


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see 40 attachement. I found the used f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2 and found its gradient. found ggrad and hgrad and set fgrad=lambda*ggrad+mu*hgrad. using the two constraint equations i attempted to solve for x,y,z,lamdbda,mu. Either I messed up the setting up of this problem or my algebra is wrong some where because I keep getting x^2=-25. This is preventing me from solving x,y,z,lambda,mu. Please tell me which of the two possible mistakes I made and also what steps do I take after correctly solving for x,y,z,lambda,mu. Thank you!
 
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without seeing your work, its hard to guess what you did wrong. there should be more than one case available. if you're getting nonsense in one case, you still have the other cases to check. once you get x,y,z, plug these into sqrt(f(x,y,z)) to get a distance. if they're ALL nonsense, then you did something wrong.

varify:
gradF=
gradH=
gradG=

gradF=L*gradH+M*gradH
constraint1=0
constraint2=0,
these give 5 equations in 5 unknowns.
 
why is do you say constraint 1 and 2 are =0. i thought constraint 1 was =5 because it is 2y+5z and constraint 2=0 because you could subtract the z^2 over and get zero?
 
well, we want the constraints in the form H(x,y,z)=0 G(x,y,z)=0 so that we can take the three dimensional gradient [d/dx,d/dy,d/dz] for the multiplier equation. you still haven't given anything for us to work with.
 
In other words, "constraint 1" is H(x, y, z)= 2x+5z- 5= 0 and "constraint 2" is G(x,y,z)= z^2- 4x^2- 4y^2= 0.
 

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