Find the diameter of copper wire

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The discussion revolves around finding the diameter of a copper wire that has the same resistance as an aluminum wire of equal length and a specified diameter. The resistivities of copper and aluminum at room temperature are provided, which are essential for the calculations involved.

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  • Participants discuss the application of resistivity in relation to resistance, questioning the setup and the equations involved. There is a focus on comparing the resistances of both wires and the implications of their respective resistivities.

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[SOLVED] Find the diameter of copper wire

Homework Statement


Find the diameter of copper wire which has the same resistance as an aluminum wire of equal length and diameter 1.2mm. The reactivities of copper and aluminum at room temperature are 1.7x10^-8Ωm and 2.6x10^-8Ωm respectively.

Can someone please explain to me the way of solving this question?
Thnx in advance
 
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looi76 said:

Homework Statement


Find the diameter of copper wire which has the same resistance as an aluminum wire of equal length and diameter 1.2mm. The reactivities of copper and aluminum at room temperature are 1.7x10^-8Ωm and 2.6x10^-8Ωm respectively.

Can someone please explain to me the way of solving this question?
Thnx in advance

I'm sure you mean resistivity :wink:. Anyway, this is a simple application of resistivity, so what is the equation for resistivity?
 
Hootenanny said:
I'm sure you mean resistivity :wink:. Anyway, this is a simple application of resistivity, so what is the equation for resistivity?

[tex]R = \frac{Pl}{A}[/tex]
What to do next :smile:
 
looi76 said:
[tex]R = \frac{Pl}{A}[/tex]
What to do next :smile:

Well you're looking for when the two resistances are the same, so...
 
Hootenanny said:
Well you're looking for when the two resistances are the same, so...

The lengths are also the same :frown: I am confused!
 
looi76 said:
The lengths are also the same :frown: I am confused!
You have two equations,

[tex]R = \frac{\rho_c \ell}{A_c}[/tex]

And

[tex]R = \frac{\rho_a \ell}{A_a}[/tex]

For the copper and aluminium wire respectively. Can you see what to do next?
 
Hootenanny said:
You have two equations,

[tex]R = \frac{\rho_c \ell}{A_c}[/tex]

And

[tex]R = \frac{\rho_a \ell}{A_a}[/tex]

For the copper and aluminium wire respectively. Can you see what to do next?

[tex]\frac{P_c}{A_c} = \frac{P_a}{A_a}[/tex]

[tex]P_c = 1.7 \times 10^{-8}\Omega{m}[/tex]
[tex]P_a = 2.6 \times 10^{-8}\Omega{m}[/tex]

[tex]A_a = \pi{r}^2[/tex]
[tex]A_a = \pi \times \left(\frac{1.2 \times 10^{-3}}{2}\right)^2[/tex]
[tex]A_a = 1.1 \times 10^{-6} m^2[/tex]

[tex]\frac{P_c}{A_c} = \frac{P_a}{A_a}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8}}{\pi{r}^2} = \frac{2.6 \times 10^{-8}}{1.1 \times 10^{-6}}[/tex]

[tex]r = \sqrt{\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8} \times 2.6 \times 10^{-8}}{2.6 \times 10^{-8}\pi}}[/tex]

[tex]r = 7.36 \times 10^{-5}[/tex]

Is my answer correct?
 
Nice work! Thanks for LaTeX'ing it up for me :approve:
looi76 said:
[tex]\frac{P_c}{A_c} = \frac{P_a}{A_a}[/tex]

[tex]P_c = 1.7 \times 10^{-8}\Omega{m}[/tex]
[tex]P_a = 2.6 \times 10^{-8}\Omega{m}[/tex]

[tex]A_a = \pi{r}^2[/tex]
[tex]A_a = \pi \times \left(\frac{1.2 \times 10^{-3}}{2}\right)^2[/tex]
[tex]A_a = 1.1 \times 10^{-6} m^2[/tex]

[tex]\frac{P_c}{A_c} = \frac{P_a}{A_a}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8}}{\pi{r}^2} = \frac{2.6 \times 10^{-8}}{1.1 \times 10^{-6}}[/tex]
You're good up until this point. Your next line is wrong,
looi76 said:
[tex]r = \sqrt{\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8} \times 2.6 \times 10^{-8}}{2.6 \times 10^{-8}\pi}}[/tex]
A further word of caution: be careful with rounding errors, try not to round too early in your calculation, either leave all your calculations to the end, or store the intermediate answers in your calculator.
 
Welcome Hootenanny! and thanks for the help

[tex]r = \sqrt{\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8} \times 1.1 \times 10^{-6}}{2.6 \times 10^{-8}\pi}}[/tex]

[tex]r = 4.78 \times 10^{-4}m[/tex]

Is this right?
 
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looi76 said:
Welcome Hootenanny! and thanks for the help

[tex]r = \sqrt{\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8} \times 1.1 \times 10^{-6}}{2.6 \times 10^{-8}\pi}}[/tex]

[tex]r = 4.78 \times 10^{-4}m[/tex]

Is this right?

Your method is correct, but your final answer is of by ~7x10-6 due to rounding errors.
 
  • #11
looi76 said:
[tex]\frac{P_c}{A_c} = \frac{P_a}{A_a}[/tex]

[tex]P_c = 1.7 \times 10^{-8}\Omega{m}[/tex]
[tex]P_a = 2.6 \times 10^{-8}\Omega{m}[/tex]

[tex]A_a = \pi{r}^2[/tex]
[tex]A_a = \pi \times \left(\frac{1.2 \times 10^{-3}}{2}\right)^2[/tex]
[tex]{\color{red}A_a = 1.1 \times 10^{-6} m^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{P_c}{A_c} = \frac{P_a}{A_a}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8}}{\pi{r}^2} = \frac{2.6 \times 10^{-8}}{1.1 \times 10^{-6}}[/tex]

[tex]r = \sqrt{\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8} \times 2.6 \times 10^{-8}}{2.6 \times 10^{-8}\pi}}[/tex]

[tex]r = 7.36 \times 10^{-5}[/tex]

Is my answer correct?

Hootenanny said:
Your method is correct, but your final answer is of by ~7x10-6 due to rounding errors.

By rounding errors I think you meant the area of Aluminum [tex]P_a[/tex] right?

[tex]A_a = \pi{r}^2[/tex]
[tex]A_a = \pi \times \left(\frac{1.2 \times 10^{-3}}{2}\right)^2[/tex]
[tex]A_a = 1.1309734 \times 10^{-6} m^2[/tex]

[tex]r = \sqrt{\frac{1.7 \times 10^{-8} \times 1.1309734 \times 10^{-6}}{2.6 \times 10^{-8}\pi}}[/tex]

[tex]r = 4.8 \times 10^{-6}[/tex]

Is this right?:rolleyes:
 
  • #12
looi76 said:
By rounding errors I think you meant the area of Aluminum [tex]P_a[/tex] right?

I did indeed.
looi76 said:
[tex]r = 4.8 \times 10^{-6}[/tex]

Is this right?:rolleyes:
Now you're two orders of magnitude and a rounding error off. I have 4.85...x10-4m.
 
  • #13
Thanks Hootenanny! I got the final answer correct...
 
  • #14
looi76 said:
Thanks Hootenanny! I got the final answer correct...
A pleasure :smile:
 

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