Find the Distance for Net Zero Force: Two Charges at Origin and x=L

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The discussion revolves around finding the position where a proton can be placed such that it experiences a net zero force due to two fixed charges: a positive charge at the origin and a negative charge on the x-axis. The subject area involves electrostatics and force interactions between charged particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of Coulomb's law to find the distance where the net force on the proton is zero. There are attempts to set up the equation for force and confusion regarding the implications of setting force to zero. Questions arise about the appropriate region for placing the proton and how to visualize the forces acting on it.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the setup and questioning the assumptions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of visualizing the problem and considering the forces before applying equations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the application of the force equation when attempting to solve for distance, particularly when considering the implications of a zero net force. Participants are encouraged to think critically about the problem setup and the regions where the proton might be placed.

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1.)Two charges are fixed in location: charge q1= +8e is located at the origin and charge q2= -2e is located on the x-axis at x=L. At what point can a proton be placed so that it has net zero force acting on it?


2.)F=kq1q2/r^2


3.)I tried to do F=0
K = 8.988 X 10^9 (constant)
q1 = (8 protons) X (1.602 X 10^-19) ---> (individual charge of one proton)
q2 = (2 electrons) X (1.602 X 10^-19)

I used the equation above then to find r^2; however, as you can see F = 0 X r^2 would give me zero and you cannot divide by 0 to find r. I am confused on how to find the distance.
 
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Hi cmcdonald, welcome to PF!

cmcdonald29 said:
1.)Two charges are fixed in location: charge q1= +8e is located at the origin and charge q2= -2e is located on the x-axis at x=L. At what point can a proton be placed so that it has net zero force acting on it?


2.)F=kq1q2/r^2


3.)I tried to do F=0
K = 8.988 X 10^9 (constant)
q1 = (8 protons) X (1.602 X 10^-19) ---> (individual charge of one proton)
q2 = (2 electrons) X (1.602 X 10^-19)

I used the equation above then to find r^2; however, as you can see F = 0 X r^2 would give me zero and you cannot divide by 0 to find r. I am confused on how to find the distance.
Don't do plug-and-play with the formulas, think about the problem first.

I suggest drawing a picture to illustrate the situation, and think about the forces that are acting on the proton. Also, can you figure out without any calculation in what region you expect the proton to be: ##x \leq 0##, ##0 < x \leq L##, or ##x > L##?
 
I would expect the charge to be located on the opposite side of the electron the exact same distance from the origin proton location.
 
cmcdonald29 said:
I would expect the charge to be located on the opposite side of the electron
That's correct.

cmcdonald29 said:
the exact same distance from the origin proton location.
We'll see about that one after you've solved the equations...

So, put the proton in your drawing and write the formula for all the forces acting on it.
 
I'm still a bit confused on how to actually approach the problem itself. I don't understand what equations I should be using to get it started?
 
The equation you gave in point 2 of the OP.
 
Yes, but I am confused on how I would plug into the equation as putting a 0 force in with not let me work out any distance.
 
cmcdonald29 said:
F=kq1q2/r^2
That equation is for two charges. What happens when you have three?
 

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